Carlson is the definition of the name brand that’s worse than the generic products. Bad coaching but he makes himself look good with strategic moves/recruiting.
A PhD takes 3-4 years, so lots of people finish university at 21, 22 then have doctorates or at least years of experience in the work force by then
And this group all took two years off not only from running but from school as well? And they were granted a fifth year of eligibility because of Covid? Oh, they didn’t have any of that. Well, maybe your comparison isn’t as spot on as you think.
Probably as close to correct as any. Sean Harnett who does the course measure and detailed elevation analysis for multiple major marathons has been behind the course revisions - not sure the value but I would bet it is in the single digits off and high if anything.
BYU is good and ran against a very weak field today. BYU is a podium team and didn’t face any other podium teams at this meet. When they face Kenya University cowboys it won’t be pretty for BYU. The cowboys will put 4 runners in front of Casey Clinger.
What's crazy is that BYU has probably done fewer workouts than anybody else in the NCAA. They're also probably doing way more easy mileage. Most are around 100 in six days. They started workouts in August and only did one pretty chill workout each week for the entire month. They've only had a few weeks of two workouts and even those don't look that hard. Compare that to all these programs doing double-threshold and crushing training early. A lot of these guys are probably already cooked.
They must have done a few more days of 16x1k with low lactate.
What's crazy is that BYU has probably done fewer workouts than anybody else in the NCAA. They're also probably doing way more easy mileage. Most are around 100 in six days. They started workouts in August and only did one pretty chill workout each week for the entire month. They've only had a few weeks of two workouts and even those don't look that hard. Compare that to all these programs doing double-threshold and crushing training early. A lot of these guys are probably already cooked.
They must have done a few more days of 16x1k with low lactate.
Literally, no one cares who wins a meet in September
When you look at 8k races what you learn? Is not much. Other than Parker Wolfe is really good
Rocky Hansen was always gonna be great
and a 13:23 7:42 3:53 guy was 14th last year and third today
College XC is not only brutal today it is extreme to see how absolute not misses in most years is now a crap shoot. a guy who ran 3:56 7:43 and 13:28 was 12th?
in any other years any one of those guys would be a favorite
While obviously you can choose to be disappointed that a team wasn’t fielded for the nutty men’s race this year, you do have to factor in circumstances, as I’m sure Mick will have the A team more than ready to roll by pre-nats, as it’s still relatively early in the season. Secondly, inability to recruit is just a silly thing to even argue, as the current roster has multiple national champions and guys who’ve competed well at an extremely high level before coming to wisco, plus they have arguably the #1 high school runner in the nation coming in next year and just got the best 800m runner in the country so it’s safe to say the talent level isn’t going anywhere in terms of recruits…
My take: Iowa St and NC were not at full strength at this meet AND in my opinion are way overrated at 5 and 6. Also the podium teams are a large gap over the rest of the field. Ok St, BYU, Arkansas and Texas Tech/NAU have the depth to distance themselves over the rest of the country.
As does another men's team.
New thread looking at Nuttycombe vs Gans Creek coming in a moment.
I am kinda looking forward to the PreNats aka meet in 3 weeks. Top runners of New Mexico vs Clemson vs West Virginia.....NAU, BYU, ND, NC St, WA, (again), Stanford, Arkansas thrown in for entertainment value
While obviously you can choose to be disappointed that a team wasn’t fielded for the nutty men’s race this year, you do have to factor in circumstances, as I’m sure Mick will have the A team more than ready to roll by pre-nats, as it’s still relatively early in the season. Secondly, inability to recruit is just a silly thing to even argue, as the current roster has multiple national champions and guys who’ve competed well at an extremely high level before coming to wisco, plus they have arguably the #1 high school runner in the nation coming in next year and just got the best 800m runner in the country so it’s safe to say the talent level isn’t going anywhere in terms of recruits…
Recruiting =/= developing solid collegiate runners and teams
Talent =/= team performance at championship meets
"Ready to roll by pre-nats" =/= Finally bringing home a team trophy in XC for the first time since "Call Me Maybe" was a hit
Also, if their roster is so deep with quality guys, why aren't 5 of them able to run a steady 8k? Especially guys who likely won't make their top 7; their season is shorter anyways, and no points to be had off of Wisconsin.
Mick just knows he doesn't have it, and hasn't in a decade. He's scared. I'm sure his team senses it.
Somebody has probably already explained, but why was this meet so early this year? I was wondering why OSU and Arkansas didn’t run until I saw that they both hosted meets today. Are most teams going to show their cards at Pre Nationals or are we going to have to wait until League meets in late October?
not trying to take too much from this years Nuttycombe as it's just a prelude to pre-nats, though I was surprised Iowa St. men's couldn't break 100 points against this field. maybe they held some runners back or their top guns didn't run but for a squad thats been touted as a podium threat at nationals i thought they'd finish higher.
This may have been answered later but Iowa State did not run a full team. Their 10,000 meter national qualifier, Sanele Masondo, didn't run and one of their Kenyans (Rodgers Rotich) didn't run. My guess is that they might not have beaten BYU but they would have lowered their score by perhaps 30 points. Sudbury's teams typically peak late - like last year.
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