Valby has well over 50x the number of threads in which she was incessantly accused (by a couple of whack jobs in particular). I think you are pretending that factoid escapes you.
I'm not pretending anything. I don't follow Valby threads around. Nor do I keep coun't.
You seem to think there is some allowable number above zero that is okay to question each of their morals. Yet it's a number which doesn't seem to be defined.
I am saying either the number is zero or there shouldn't be a number. You seem to be concerned with only one of the athletes I am concerned with both.
That's all I have to say on this because it's become a pointless discussion.
Poor Linden Hall. She broke the Australian women’s 1500 record last year at Pre, running 3:56.92 and beating Hull. She ran half a second faster today, but this time got dusted by Hull.
Have been watching Hull since her Oregon days (she was in Emma Abrahamson’s videos + I’m Aussie and it made me notice her when I heard the accent). I’ll say that Linden Hall has never been anywhere near as talented as Hull (sorry, but true), and if she can run 3.56, then Hull can run miles better. Maybe I’m biased, but if Hull has done her first real altitude stint, then possibly a combo of perfect race, consistent training without drama and injury, a drop of 5 lbs or more + being a hyper altitude responder.
The mid pack elites are now all running circa 3.55. Standard has shifted down hugely for whatever reason.
Poor Linden Hall. She broke the Australian women’s 1500 record last year at Pre, running 3:56.92 and beating Hull. She ran half a second faster today, but this time got dusted by Hull.
Have been watching Hull since her Oregon days (she was in Emma Abrahamson’s videos + I’m Aussie and it made me notice her when I heard the accent). I’ll say that Linden Hall has never been anywhere near as talented as Hull (sorry, but true), and if she can run 3.56, then Hull can run miles better. Maybe I’m biased, but if Hull has done her first real altitude stint, then possibly a combo of perfect race, consistent training without drama and injury, a drop of 5 lbs or more + being a hyper altitude responder.
The mid pack elites are now all running circa 3.55. Standard has shifted down hugely for whatever reason.
2secs per pound per mile, if she can maintain her power/weight ratio.
Have been watching Hull since her Oregon days (she was in Emma Abrahamson’s videos + I’m Aussie and it made me notice her when I heard the accent). I’ll say that Linden Hall has never been anywhere near as talented as Hull (sorry, but true), and if she can run 3.56, then Hull can run miles better. Maybe I’m biased, but if Hull has done her first real altitude stint, then possibly a combo of perfect race, consistent training without drama and injury, a drop of 5 lbs or more + being a hyper altitude responder.
The mid pack elites are now all running circa 3.55. Standard has shifted down hugely for whatever reason.
2secs per pound per mile, if she can maintain her power/weight ratio.
she ain't running any faster if her power/weight ratio stays the same. that's kinda the idea with losing weight, you increase the ratio
Have been watching Hull since her Oregon days (she was in Emma Abrahamson’s videos + I’m Aussie and it made me notice her when I heard the accent). I’ll say that Linden Hall has never been anywhere near as talented as Hull (sorry, but true), and if she can run 3.56, then Hull can run miles better. Maybe I’m biased, but if Hull has done her first real altitude stint, then possibly a combo of perfect race, consistent training without drama and injury, a drop of 5 lbs or more + being a hyper altitude responder.
The mid pack elites are now all running circa 3.55. Standard has shifted down hugely for whatever reason.
2secs per pound per mile, if she can maintain her power/weight ratio.
Yes, I just saw an interview of her, and she’s a LOT skinnier than I first thought. It’s a lot more than 5lbs I think. Also, I wouldn’t ignore the altitude response. She says she hasn’t done much altitude before. That’s a big game changer if she’s a hyper responder.
I hope they change plans and stay at altitude until just before she runs in the Games (in the Citius Mag interview, she says she’s coming back down to sea level - Montpellier - some time before she runs). It seems to have really worked here.
We can definitely agree there is another level at play here.
The level where an experienced elite, who has raced at a high level every year for over a decade, suddenly lops seven seconds off their 1500 PB in one season.
All I'm saying is it's interesting.
It's very similar to Hiltz reducing her 1500 pr by 6 seconds at 29 from age 24. Distance runners appear to be getting better as they age. You might ask how.
I'll make two comments on this, in separate posts so they can be considered individually. The first is pertaining to your observation, "Distance runners appear to be getting better as they age."
I looked up the top 20 fastest US female 1500 runners all-time and the age at which they set their PB. Here's the list:
Shelby Houlihan (I know) 26
Nikki Hiltz 29
Emily Mackay 26
Elle St. Pierre 29
Shannon Rowbury 31
Sinclaire Johnson 26
Mary Decker Slaney (I know) 24
Jenny Simpson 27
Suzy Favor Hamilton 31
Cory McGee 32
Elise Cranny 28
Heather Maclean 28
Addison Wiley 19
Anna Willard 25
Christin Wurth-Thomas 30
Helen Schlachtenhaufen 29
Josette Norris 25
Regina Jacobs (I know) 39
Karissa Schweizer 24
Morgan Uceny 26
The average age of that group is 27.7, and the median is 27.5. Half of them were 26-29. Even if we remove Jacobs (whose results were disqualified for the same year she set her PB) and Wiley (who is just getting started), the average age is 27.6. So it's common for 1500m runners to hit their peak in their late 20s, which is where Hull and Hiltz are now. Big drops at that age is another story. I'll comment on Hull and Hiltz's progressions in my next post.
2secs per pound per mile, if she can maintain her power/weight ratio.
Yes, I just saw an interview of her, and she’s a LOT skinnier than I first thought. It’s a lot more than 5lbs I think. Also, I wouldn’t ignore the altitude response. She says she hasn’t done much altitude before. That’s a big game changer if she’s a hyper responder.
I hope they change plans and stay at altitude until just before she runs in the Games (in the Citius Mag interview, she says she’s coming back down to sea level - Montpellier - some time before she runs). It seems to have really worked here.
She has to recover a while, eat, and get oxygenated before thinking about going back to altitude.
You know that someone's PB isn't a direct indicator of their ability? If Kipyeagon wasn't in this race do you think Hull would have ran the exact same time? Sometimes you don't get in to the perfect race while having the perfect fitness and perfect conditions every year all the time lol
I'm so tired of this BS. So for seven years as a pro she never "got in the right race?" It's obvious we aren't allowed to have honest conversations about what we're seeing right in front of our faces, so I won't bother watching anymore.
This. It’s not just her time. It’s her sudden never-seen-before ability to run on the heels of the GOAT right up until the end. Raises suspicion.
Kipyegon is a mega doper, anyone who comes close is suspicious.
True,but i imagine we'll see a lot more of the aussies in years to come. They'll be pulling out all stops to be as close to the top of the overall medal tally as they can,and if that means mass doping..........
Well, after watching this meet and the US trials plus NCAA level results, high school stuff, etc. either everybody decided to do drugs at the same time or something else is going on. I suspect more scientific training combined with shoe technology and mass barrier breaking (setting the bar higher and changing everyone's psychology) is behind all this.