It's simple: Biological boys don't belong in athletic competition with girls. Why can't everyone see that?

55 years ago, the girls of my generation would have simply ganged up on and beat the snot out of these degenerates - But I guess being more civil in these wussie times has everyone's panties in a wad. It all went downhill when we quit hanging horse thieves.

Then obviously, the trans-identified people you've met are reasonable and have sensible heads on their shouders. There are many of them around. I've met quite a few who take that view too.

But unfortunately, many trans people with public platforms today do claim that they've changed sex - and a large number of the male ones who are prominent public figures frequently insist that they are female.

On the Daily Show in 2022, Veronica Ivy/Rachel McKinnon - a middle-aged trans-identified male who has won world masters titles in women's track cycling - told Trevor Noah:

I am a woman, that’s a fact. I am female. All my identity records, my (bike) racing license, my medical records say “Female.” And I’m pretty sure I’m made of biological stuff. So I’m a biological female as well.

In a taped interview in 2019 that's on YouTube , CeCe Telfer said:

I honestly don't even consider myself as trans I just consider myself as a female and it's unfair because that's the the scientific definition that describes what and who I am…

I know that I'm a female…

I'm a straight female, a transgender female who is heterosexual

I don't like to being like seen as like stronger like musclular and jacked. Like if somebody calls me jacked like I feel like no I'm a female I'm not supposed to be jacked.

Competing at Nationals this past weekend those girls were far superior than I am, they were so much faster than me. And nobody understands that those girls are producing so much more testosterone than I am, like they are producing way more testosterone so I have to overwork, I have to overcompensate in order to even get to that level, like get anywhere close to where they’re coming from.

And I don't have the advantage because all of these girls are like three times faster than me like they have me over here thinking like oh these bxtches are on drugs I'm sorry

It's really hard for trans girls like myself to to get any attention we want from men and it's just like, "listen guys, we are girls we’re females too."

The fact that I'm looking for [attention] from men and straight men and not like you know
just any men is just proves that I am a heterosexual female

At the end of the day I know that I'm a female and nobody can tell me anything [different].

On "The Hill" in June 2022, Telfer said:

i'm a female athlete so I compete in female sports.

At the end of the day we are women we are female athletes as well and we should be treated and see as such.

Asked what needed to happen for Telfer to conclude that society was fully accepting of people with trans identities, Telfer said that other people and particular other athletes

have to see us as the athletes as the female and males that we are. We are trying so hard to be a part of a group that is denying us. For [progress to happen], that group has to see us as the women and men we are. Then other people will see us that way too.

So it's all about other people, other athletes like embracing us as athletes and embracing us as the women that we are - or the men that we are.

Major organizations such as like Michelin are seeing us, incorporating us in um commercials with other female athletes. They’re saying “hey we see you - you are a female athlete.”

Well that’s what it takes, incorporating us in the category of female athletes as women just like the other female athletes.

There are unequal conditions, there are biases within... the community of male and female
athletes because female athletes don’t get the same resources, we don't get the
same support, we don't get the same um the same help as male athletes.

So [when companies like Michelin make ads featuring male athletes in the female category], that just boosts that um exposure and that’s just the kind of support we need. We need to be seen as female.

In a podcast that Telfer did with two other trans-identified males for Outsports a couple of years ago, they all asserted that taking exogenous estrogen and T suppressants drugs had made them "completely female in every way by changing the DNA in each and every cell in our bodies."

There are legions of males with trans identities today who say they are female.

Wrong on Veronica Ivy. She did not “claim that they’ve changed sex”. She knows her words and is using them to her advantage. FWIW, WA would also call her a Transgender Female athlete, so she is not saying anything indefensible. The onus was on the interviewer to define “biological”.

She was smart enough to know that the only thing left at that point for Trevor to say at that point was “but do you have a dick?” and he’d never ask her that nor should it be any of his business or that of sports bodies.

When Renee Richards sued the USTA in 1976 to get the right to play women’s pro tennis, Richards and all the male doctors who gave expert testimony on Richard’s behalf swore that the middle-aged father - who attended a male-only prep school and Yale College when it still only admittted males - had changed sex and was now female:

Plaintiff's surgeon, Dr. Roberto Granato, who performed the sex reassignment operation on plaintiff, asserts that the male genitalia of Dr. Richards were removed and that as the result of the surgery the external genital appearance of Dr. Richards is that of female.

Dr. Roberto Granato’s professional conclusion is that, except for reproduction, Dr. Richards should be considered a woman, classified as a female and allowed to compete as such.

Dr. Leo Wollman states that he has treated over 1,700 transsexual patients including plaintiff. It is his view that Dr. Richards should be considered a female.

Wollman testified that

The Barr [sex chromosome] test [whose appropriateness and validity Richards rejected] would classify Dr. Richards as a male and ...the chromosomes may appear to be that of a man.

But Wollman added, since Richards now

has the external genital appearance, the internal organ appearance, gonadal identity, endocrinological makeup and psychological and social development of a female, Richards would be considered a female by any reasonable test

Dr. [John] Money [of Johns Hopkins] says that the Barr [sex chromosome] test would work an injustice since by all other known indicators of sex, Dr. Richards is a female, i.e., external genital appearance is that of a female; internal sex is that of a female who has been hysterectomized and ovariectomized; Dr. Richards is psychologically a woman; endocrinologically female; somatically (muscular tone, height, weight, breasts, physique) female.

Richards is female and her muscular and fat composition has been transformed to that of a female; socially Dr. Richards is female; Dr. Richards' gonadal status is that of an ovariectomized female.

Dr. Money's professional conclusion, based on 26 years of professional experience as a psychoendocrinologist, is that a person such as Dr. Renee Richards should be classified as female and for anyone in the medical or legal field to find otherwise is completely unjustified.

Dr. Money also believes that Dr. Richards will have no unfair advantage when competing against women [because Richards’] muscle development, weight, height [6'2] and physique fit within the female norm.

Whilst at Horace Mann and Yale, Richards - then Richard Raskin - had been a star athlete who excelled in four male sports: football, baseball, swimming and tennis. His pitching arm was so good that at 18 he was scouted by the NY Yankees, who offered him a position. But Raskin wanted to go to medical school and become a surgeon, so he opted for Yale instead. After finishing his medical training, Raskin played men's tennis for the US Navy.

The judge noted that two years before bringing suit against the USTA so he could win the legal right to play women's pro tennis,

Raskin was an accomplished male tennis player, and in 1974 ranked 3rd in the east and 13th nationally in the men's 35-and-over tennis.

Still, judge found that the plaintiff should be able to play women's pro tennis because, the judge said, by undergoing surgery and hormone treatment, Richard Raskin had become female. He ruled:

When an individual such as plaintiff, a successful physician, a husband and father, finds it necessary for his own mental sanity to undergo a sex reassignment, the unfounded fears and misconceptions of defendants must give way to the overwhelming medical evidence that this person is now female.

55 years ago, any males on a quest to insert themselves into girls’ and women’s school sports teams and trounce female athletes in competitions probably would have struck out because back then there wasn’t much in the way of girls’ and women’s school sports for middle school, high school and college-age blokes to muscle in on.

In 1969, most girls and women attending US schools didn’t get to do any school sports. Because prior to Title IX, it was legal and commonplace for schools and school districts to have school sports only for male students. Back then, many schools not only reserved sports solely for male students, they explicitly barred female students from using school sports facilities and equipment except in formal PE classes. But some schools didn’t even offer girls and women PE.

Title IX was passed and signed into law in June 1972, but it took several years after the law came into effect for the federal government to issue implementation guidelines - and the guidelines gave schools a 6-year grace period to start coming into compliance. Moreover, in the 70s there were efforts to rescind Title IX in Congress, and lawsuits sought to restrict the application of Tittle IX so that it schools would not have to start offering sports programs to female students or build locker rooms for female students.

The NCAA was the major body that went to court seeking to get Title IX restricted so that there’d be no obligation for schools and the NCAA to organize and offer interscholastic sports to female students.

So 55 years ago, there really weren’t any interscholastic MS, HS or collegiate track & field meets for girls and women that boys and men could’ve horned in on.

If Lia Thomas had attended U Penn 55 years ago, Thomas wouldn’t have had a chance to trounce female swimmers in women's races - or unnerve female swimmers getting in and out of their suits in women’s locker rooms, either. Penn didn’t start a women’s swim team until 1974-5.

1974-75 was also the year when the first Ivy League and Division I women’s sports championships of any kind were held.

ivyleague.com

Ivy League Launches 50th Anniversary of Women's Championships — First Conference To Reach Milestone

PENNSAUKEN, N.J. -- This afternoon, the Ivy League proudly announced the 50th anniversary of Ivy League Women's Championships will take place throughout the 2024-25 academic year.

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The Ivy League Celebrates 50 Years of Title IX

The Ivy League Celebrates 50 Years of Title IX

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These people are nucking futs

Someone will post a new thread on exactly the same subject next week and you folks can say exactly the same things all over again. But minds will still not be changed and agreement won't be reached.

I'll say it again. This is simple. Use an immutable biological attribute to draw a clear line in the sand. XX chromosome individuals shall only compete with XX chromosome individuals. Done.

Why are you obsessed with boys' genitalia?

No. Simple. Undone.

Maybe, maybe not. There are constant threads about this because it's a pervasive issue that most people don't feel comfortable talking about publicly. There is also little honest information about what is at stake in mainstream media. A person can learn a lot about this topic and hear a variety of arguments for an against various gender identity policies via visting online forums. I have actually changed my mind several times on this topic in response to the arguments I've encountered.

There is a reason IOC eliminated chromosome tests after 1996. Please educate yourself.

In 10000+ posts you have said exactly the same.

The stalker is back under yet another different user name. You also show you can't discern one post from another.

Or sleep in their prison.

You usually call me your stalker. I guess you have more than one person who thinks you are a moron who has written almost 30,000 useless posts!

I'm really dissapointed with you Arm, I expected a final spurt to 30000, but now you are afraid of the goal?

But don't worry, your 50+ stalkers will follow you anyhow.

Why have you written exactly the same around 10000 times?

You've just reached your 30,000. And all just stalking.

You might ask yourself why you ask the same question around 10000 times. I'm waiting to see if you have anything to post that isn't a response to any comment from me. Nah.