Huh? She in the midst of a $5M negotiation. I guess if you mean that she can get paid and then hide rather than get smoked like Tuohy is doing, I guess so..
I'm suspicious of both, and I also don't think either will amount to anything on the World stage. You're blind if you can't see all of the red flags for why Valby is suspicious. She runs a maximum of 25 miles per week, and I'm supposed to believe she went from a 17:14 as an unheralded freshman to a 14:52 on the strength of lots of cross training? Yea, no way. Tuohy shilling for a roided out fitness influencer is also no bueno. In my view, you're judged by the company you keep, and that company is not somebody I would want to be associated with.
I was really hoping for Tuohy to be the US' next great hope for medaling in distance events at the Olympics and Worlds. I really was. Unfortunately, she is not doing what she needs to get there and now seems like she is resorting to shortcuts. She's done. I don't think she ever makes a US team. I will hang my next hopes on Sadie Engelhardt and hoping she works harder.
Clueless. But hey, that's normal around here.
No, you are not "supposed to believe she went from 17:14 as an unheralded freshman" to ...
She got a full ride to Florida out of high school. She held the state record in the 3200.
She was dealing with four or five different injuries as a freshman. That 17:14 in mid April was the only race she ran. After the race she told her coach she was quitting because she couldn't deal with all the injuries. Anyone who quotes that 17:14 as indicative of her ability as a freshman is either clueless or intentionally lying.
As a soph running 60 mpw she finished 7 seconds behind Tuohy at XC Nats and she fell around the 5K mark costing her a few seconds. This is before adopting her cross training routine after she broke her foot the following January.
Since you are totally clueless, here is that 2021 XC Nats. Go to the 9:00 mark and look at who is leading the race. Again, this is off 60 mpw and before the cross training.
Watch the entirety of the 2021 DI women's NCAA cross country championship. BYU's Whittni Orton takes home the individual championship in the 6K with a time o...
The following January Valby ran anchor on the DMR and came back the next day and ran an 8:53 completely solo finishing the race on a broken foot. The best Tuohy did that year was an 8:54 at BU with other runners pulling her to the line. Valby was already as good or better than Tuohy before she ever started cross training.
Thanks for sharing that video, it was a great re-watch with everything in context now!
Orton's epic kick really just DEMOLISHED everyone, what a race from her!
Watching young Valby crush most of the competition despite being injured was great. It was always her, when she was out with injury Tuohy was just the next girl.
Tuohy fans are jealous at how much better Valby is. Tuohy was the child prodigy who did well in college but now she has been surpassed. They need to deal with it because the delta will only increase.
In all seriousness, though. Why do you people think these students are doping? Who do you think is giving it to them and why? Do you honestly think Henes is in her secret NCSU lab poking needles into a 19-year-old Tuohy? It feels like some Comet Ping-Pong hysterics from this group of - presumably - grown men. These are young ladies who work their butts off and then go hang out at Starbucks and CAVA with their friends. Did any of you run in college? Where PEDs rampant on your team?
Nike, makes sense, but a move to altitude in either Boulder or Flagstaff is a must if she is to try to compete on the World Stage. I am not sure who her coach could be, maybe Mike Smith ...I don't know. But Bowerman TC is not a good choice, all the top runners have fled, that tells you something.
I agree not a great choice, but it's where her preferred coach is. Given that Valby makes conservative decisions, I just think it's a logical wager she will stay with her familiar coach and brand.
Also Tuohy was recovering from surgery. You know, the way regular college runners recover without magic arc trainers. Took a 1-2 years. As always these "explanations" are always cherrypicked and clueless.
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I'm suspicious of both, and I also don't think either will amount to anything on the World stage. You're blind if you can't see all of the red flags for why Valby is suspicious. She runs a maximum of 25 miles per week, and I'm supposed to believe she went from a 17:14 as an unheralded freshman to a 14:52 on the strength of lots of cross training? Yea, no way. Tuohy shilling for a roided out fitness influencer is also no bueno. In my view, you're judged by the company you keep, and that company is not somebody I would want to be associated with.
I was really hoping for Tuohy to be the US' next great hope for medaling in distance events at the Olympics and Worlds. I really was. Unfortunately, she is not doing what she needs to get there and now seems like she is resorting to shortcuts. She's done. I don't think she ever makes a US team. I will hang my next hopes on Sadie Engelhardt and hoping she works harder.
Clueless. But hey, that's normal around here.
No, you are not "supposed to believe she went from 17:14 as an unheralded freshman" to ...
She got a full ride to Florida out of high school. She held the state record in the 3200.
She was dealing with four or five different injuries as a freshman. That 17:14 in mid April was the only race she ran. After the race she told her coach she was quitting because she couldn't deal with all the injuries. Anyone who quotes that 17:14 as indicative of her ability as a freshman is either clueless or intentionally lying.
As a soph running 60 mpw she finished 7 seconds behind Tuohy at XC Nats and she fell around the 5K mark costing her a few seconds. This is before adopting her cross training routine after she broke her foot the following January.
Since you are totally clueless, here is that 2021 XC Nats. Go to the 9:00 mark and look at who is leading the race. Again, this is off 60 mpw and before the cross training.
The following January Valby ran anchor on the DMR and came back the next day and ran an 8:53 completely solo finishing the race on a broken foot. The best Tuohy did that year was an 8:54 at BU with other runners pulling her to the line. Valby was already as good or better than Tuohy before she ever started cross training.
As I recall Tuohy got 2nd and 2nd in 5000 and 3000 in 2022 by a combined 1 second behind the winners. I guess Valby would have won both.
I will throw some more gasoline on the fire. Valby seemed to be in full cross training mode when she tore up the Fall 2022 XC season (before finishing 2nd at Nationals).
But, but, but, she was still recovering from injury or something. Or she was undertrained. Etc.
Bottom line is she had a major jump in form this year doing the same cross training, and that should not be possible. What is more likely, that she is some magic unicorn talent that can annihilate the collegiate 10000m record using an arc trainer and low mileage or that she is getting chemical help? As much as I appreciate the grasping explanations, I am very comfortable with my opinion here. Anyone with overambition can easily make a mockery of college distance running with the help of pharmacy, and the financial incentives are there given all the contract talk.
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Oh please. This is the most desperate deflection effort I have ever seen. Again, if anyone has ANYTHING to show that there is anything wrong with products, do so or STHU. Are you nitwits really going with "well, I think the former founder looks juiced"? How is that remotely relevant to anything. I know quitte a few people that use steroids just for cosmetic reasons, and it is a Hollywood mainstay now. LOLL.
Oh, and I do not have to try to manufacture anything as laughable about the two you mentioned. The facts are damning enough.
For the readers that are unaware, maybe a similar scenario was repeated over 15 years ago, when a company called EAS sponsored a runner named Ryan Shay. EAS was started by a steroid using body-builder. Shay’s heart ‘failed’ while running the Olympic Trials marathon.
There might be consequences to the innocent high schoolers and adults being sold the idea there is ‘magic in a bottle’ that will allow them to pack on muscle looking like a roided-up bodybuilder, while still being able to run a sub-3hr marathon.
Who knows what’s actually in that bottle, regardless of the gibberish on the label? Supplements don’t have the same FDA inspection requirements as drugs or the (sometimes suspect) food supply. There is risk to health (particularly the kidneys) with the unnatural loading of chemistry that can be used to build muscle.
It is rare, for obvious reasons, to see pro track athletes cross that line to shill unusual muscle-building supplements. For example, if Ryan Hall (training partner to Ryan Shay) started a body-building supplement line, and his wife Sara shilled for it, would there not be an outcry here?
You go on-and-on accusing others in the sport, particularly competitors to Tuohy, about their ‘red flags’. But in this particular case, where there seems to actually be a huge ‘red flag’, you want to completely blow it off, and just say “STHU”; while at the same time, you still want to come into every Valby thread and repeat over-and-over the same dribble about her supposed ‘red flags’.
Oh please. This is the most desperate deflection effort I have ever seen. Again, if anyone has ANYTHING to show that there is anything wrong with products, do so or STHU. Are you nitwits really going with "well, I think the former founder looks juiced"? How is that remotely relevant to anything. I know quitte a few people that use steroids just for cosmetic reasons, and it is a Hollywood mainstay now. LOLL.
Oh, and I do not have to try to manufacture anything as laughable about the two you mentioned. The facts are damning enough.
For the readers that are unaware, maybe a similar scenario was repeated over 15 years ago, when a company called EAS sponsored a runner named Ryan Shay. EAS was started by a steroid using body-builder. Shay’s heart ‘failed’ while running the Olympic Trials marathon.
There might be consequences to the innocent high schoolers and adults being sold the idea there is ‘magic in a bottle’ that will allow them to pack on muscle looking like a roided-up bodybuilder, while still being able to run a sub-3hr marathon.
Who knows what’s actually in that bottle, regardless of the gibberish on the label? Supplements don’t have the same FDA inspection requirements as drugs or the (sometimes suspect) food supply. There is risk to health (particularly the kidneys) with the unnatural loading of chemistry that can be used to build muscle.
It is rare, for obvious reasons, to see pro track athletes cross that line to shill unusual muscle-building supplements. For example, if Ryan Hall (training partner to Ryan Shay) started a body-building supplement line, and his wife Sara shilled for it, would there not be an outcry here?
You go on-and-on accusing others in the sport, particularly competitors to Tuohy, about their ‘red flags’. But in this particular case, where there seems to actually be a huge ‘red flag’, you want to completely blow it off, and just say “STHU”; while at the same time, you still want to come into every Valby thread and repeat over-and-over the same dribble about her supposed ‘red flags’.
I guess we will see when Tuohy races again. The relationship with Bare seemed to start just recently well after her college career was completed. And at least so far has apparently not helped prepare her to compete at Olympic Trials.
I guess we will see when Tuohy races again. The relationship with Bare seemed to start just recently well after her college career was completed. And at least so far has apparently not helped prepare her to compete at Olympic Trials.
And yet, in the Bare advertisement, they used video of Tuohy in a 2022 cross-country race, possibly implying she has been using the product for some time now. Remember, in the past you said the reason she chose to shill soda-pop was something to the effect it was because she liked the product and used it regularly.
There is that old "correlation does not mean causation" thing again! But could that also be why someone else took frequent pauses in her competitions? I don't think that is the case, but by your logic it would seem possible.
I guess we will see when Tuohy races again. The relationship with Bare seemed to start just recently well after her college career was completed. And at least so far has apparently not helped prepare her to compete at Olympic Trials.
And yet, in the Bare advertisement, they used video of Tuohy in a 2022 cross-country race, possibly implying she has been using the product for some time now. Remember, in the past you said the reason she chose to shill soda-pop was something to the effect it was because she liked the product and used it regularly.
and yet we were told above somewhere that it has just now changed her physique. So which is it?
She has been much more muscular than her competitors for many years. It appears likely that she had been using secret muscle building and endurance vitamins for quite some time.
She has been much more muscular than her competitors for many years. It appears likely that she had been using secret muscle building and endurance vitamins for quite some time.
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