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What difference does it make whether they go through hormone therapy or surgery? They are all the same, according to your ideology, right?

People like yourself are the biggest enablers of "transtrenders." Every time you discredit "gatekeepers", you embolden those who claim only self-identification matters. Every time you attack gender-affirming health care, you increase the number of trans-identifying people who never see a medical professional.

It's like Hamas got stronger every time Bibi humiliated Palestinian Authority. And look how it ended up on October 7.

You are part of the problem you are complaining about.

1) Happy to have actual dialogue instead of just seeing offensive comments + down votes so appreciated reading this.

2) Just as an FYI, I didn't really take a hard stance on the issue. I just tried to provide some context.

3) That context is kind of my only point with this. This issue shouldn't demand this much attention. It shouldn't influence how you vote or who you vote for. For every article about a successful transgender athlete, we would be better off spent reading something about local issues that affect our communities in more meaningful ways. I think being as upset as people are about the exception/not the rule piece prevents them from looking at this holistically. How many state meets were run over the weekend & last several weekends? How many different events were contested? How many events were won by a transgender athlete? Do the math & then really try to convince me that this is a huge problem that we need to be crusading against to save women.

Okay, that's all I'm trying to get at. ~1.1 million HSers compete in T&F. Out of those #'s we always get force fed the successful transgender athlete stories that are designed to piss us off so we devote a silly amount of attention to this. Nobody is covering the actual meets & highlighting the next great female distance runners. Idk I'm not sure government does need to be concerned with something like this. Should they pass symbolic policy that basically means nothing? What are your political leanings & what do you think about a Republican governing vetoing a bill that would have barred Utah's transgender athletes from competing in HS sports. Signing that bill would have had zero impact on their state champions because there were only 4 transgender athletes & none of them were competing for titles. Do our politicians need to spend any more time on something that doesn't matter because we're made to have extreme partisan opinions about the issue at hand? Maybe it's better left up to governing bodies to figure out. Maybe women's sports is in a decent place and doesn't need saving. Maybe people who fixate on this issue have no desire to help women's sports & start other threads tearing down successful athletes (Caitlin Clark) or hurl insults about someone going to med school (Mary Cain).

How many black kids would a state not allow to compete before you care?

"Trans" kids can impose a little injustice, as a treat. Right?

The ignorance in every single thread on letsrun for over a decade on athletes that are transgendered is astoundingly, predictably stupid.

And I do not just mean from the bigots, even Nikki is wrong here.

Let me super-simplify this for the poorly educated.

Athletes that are FULLY TRANSITIONED should be welcome in any sport by all in their transitioned category.

Athletes that have not fully transitioned are non-binary, regardless if they intend to fully transition or not.

Non-binary athletes cannot be allowed to race in a category that would only be appropriate to someone fully transitioned, that is incredibly inappropriate.

Women's races are NOT a dumping ground for non-binary athletes. Full stop.

In 100+ years of running, there has never ever been an elite athlete that was fully transitioned.

And there never will be, it is physically impossible, everyone who writes about this insisting how it is somehow a threat is utterly embarrassing themselves displaying incredible ignorance.

Historically all this changed in 2016 when they suddenly changed it to where athletes that were not fully transitioned were allowed to qualify for the Olympics.

I do not understand why this is so difficult to grasp.

I have to assume it is because people do NOT WANT to understand the difference.

Either go back to the pre-2016 rules or make non-binary categories at every major event.

But stop using athletes that are transgendered as a punching bag, at best you are ridiculous, at worst you are encouraging violence for your own entertainment which is the worst kind of bullying.

Thanks for sharing your ignorance as well.

What do you mean by "fully transitioned"? Exactly what in your book does "full transition" for each sex entail?

If in the case of males you mean genital surgery in which their testes are removed, very few trans-identified males get that surgery nowadays. Nearly all of them elect to keep their original tackle.

Also, removing the testicles of adult or teenage males doesn't undo all their prior development, alter their DNA or change their bodies enough to put them on an equal physical footing with females in sports.

Two male athletes who had so-called "full transition" and went on to launch legal fights to win the right to compete in women's pro sports - American tennis player Renee Richards and Danish- Australian golfer Mianne Bagger - now both have had a change of heart. Both Richards and Bagger say they think it's unfair for anyone who's been through normal male development, particularly during adolescence, to compete in women's sports - even if they've had their testes removed.

In an appearance on Australian TV a couple of years ago, Bagger said that acceptance and inclusion of trans-identified people in “everyday society" is of utmost importance - a position I agree with. But Bagger drew the line at male trans-identified people being able to compete in female sports, particularly under the lax rules put in place in recent years. Bagger said:

“We want equality, lack of discrimination, and of course every single person should have equal access to life and services and work in society. But in sport? In sport it's different. Sport is about physical ability. It’s not just about discrimination, it’s not just about equality and equal access. It is a physical ability.

“If you’ve got one group — males — that are on average stronger, taller, faster, as opposed to women, there has to be a divide."

Speaking of the incursion of what Bagger called "male-bodied" athletes into women's sports that's been happening at every level of sport in recent years as sports governing bodies around the world have loosened their rules to cater to males who claim a trans gender identity, Bagger said

“It's crossed the line, in my view, it really has. It’s a slap in the face to women.”

Bagger's views are shared by quite a few other prominent trans-identified people today, like Buck Angel and Caitlyn Jenner. Many of them fear that the unreasonable demands being made by the most extreme trans activists today are actually making life worse for most trans-identified people and predict that it's going to result in an ugly backlash from the general public.

Countless posts on this board suggest otherwise.

They really can’t do what you want them to. A shoe company is not going to sponsor an athlete that might, or might not, run in any given race, and the USATF is not going be pleased with a DNS in the OT 1500m final.

Just because I don't believe that males who have, or claim to have, trans gender identities should all be given free rein to compete in female sports and use facilities and services that female people need for our own safety, privacy, dignity, health, hygiene, comfort, convenience and peace of mind - such as women's and girls' locker rooms, loos, fitting rooms, shelters, refuges, barracks, dorms, sororities, rape crisis centers, prisons, hospital wards, accommodations in nursing/care homes, support groups, rehab programs, gynecological and maternity care, breastfeeding and lactation rooms - doesn't mean I don't support the acceptance and inclusion of trans people (of both sexes) in everyday society.

The agenda you promote places the entire responsibility for showing acceptance and inclusion of trans-identified males in society on the shoulders of women and girls. You demand that the world's women and girls give up our hard-won rights to fairness, equal opportunity and safety in sports - and to safety, privacy, dignity and peace of mind in numerous other contexts - to placate males who claim to have special gender identities.

But when it comes to making the world a kinder, gentler more welcoming place for the members of your own sex who claim to be trans, you ask nothing of yourself and other "ordinary" men and boys. Absolutely nothing. Nada. Zip.

It's easy for you and, other sanctimonious blokes like knuckle(head) and hypcocrites like Nikki Hiltz to bang on all day and night about acceptance and inclusion because the plans you guys have for achieving acceptance and inclusion mean no skin off your own noses - or the noses of most men and boys.

Since you and so many other blokes keep bragging about how big you are on acceptance and inclusion of trans-identified people in society, it's high time you started putting your money where your mouths are.

Instead of constantly telling girls and women that our sports and spaces must be opened up to every Tom,Dick and Harriet who claims to have thoughts, feelings and fantasies that make him trans - and slagging us all off as bigots, haters, harridans and harpies when we dare to say no - how about you start making an effort to help trans-identifed males feel more welcome and at home in boys' and men's sports, locker rooms, toilets, fraternities, barracks, saunas, prisons, etc?

If you truly cared about the males with special gender identity claims that you keep caping for, you'd stop trying to shoehorn them into female sports - and you'd stop trying to force them onto girls and women and make them our problem to deal with without our consent and, in many cases, totally against our will.

You just cannot identify "fully transitioned" athletes with the birth gender competitors because there are too many biological differences. A 6'7" man who "fully transitions" is still going to have a lot of advantages over a comparable woman who is 99.9 percentile in height.

It’s biologically impossible to “fully transition.” Stop pushing this clueless agenda.

Completely reasonable post. Which are routinely downvoted around here.

Umm... the most of the transphobes on this board are actually "ordinary" men, and I have no patience for their transphobia.

And I am not "forcing" trans women and girls into women's spaces. You called me "super duper transphobic cis supremacist" because I think it is ultimately up to cis women / girls to decide whether they accept trans women / girls as their peers. On the other hand, people like yourself think it's old cis men in the state house and congress who should make that decision.

There are many cis girls and women who are embracing their trans friends, including teammates on sports teams. Just look at the comment sections of their social media. If you don't know who they are, you'd think they are just exchanges between cis girls. (I am not going to post any links here because those cis girls would become targets of adults who claim to be "defenders of women.")

I don't know if this is psychological projection or a complete misreading of my post. I don't endorse self-ID. I'm explaining that self-ID is the policy being advanced by most people in the trans movement. Many people don't recognize this because the goal posts keep moving--and sometimes they move back and forth. One day people appeal to low T on the grounds that it makes males the same as females (or disadvantaged compared to them), the next day, they accuse people who look at biology as being hateful.

If biology-based standards are implemented, we'll only see people complain that it's unfair to ask trans people to take hormones, that it's sporting associations asking healthy people to alter their bodies, that they're policing what it means to be a woman, etc.

I think and hope that people on the side of reality and logic win over the public and put this mass delusional disorder to rest. Historically, this issue is somewhere between lobotomies and repressed memories; it combines mystical beliefs with harmful medical interventions. If there are any people who benefit from transition (I can think of a few people who appear to be thriving, but the longterm health data don't look promising), the number is very very low. Even so, the existence of such people does not mean that people actually do change sexes or that people who transition should have access to all things available to the other (target) sex. What we're seeing right now is mass medical malpractice and the reneging of women's rights (accompanied by abusive gaslighting of the people who points this out).

It matters if girls are upset, but the existence of some girls defending these policies doesn't make them correct, either factually or morally. If they want to hand over their sex-based rights and protections, they can decide that on an individual level. They shouldn't be imposing this on all girls and women.

As it is, many people are being emotionally manipulated into believing falsehoods, and part of this stems from a rejection of any biological explanations for human behavior. The belief that sex is a spectrum is inconsistent with evolution and observable reality.

This sort of feels like Galileo arguing that the Earth isn't the center of the universe, except that it doesn't take a particularly smart or observant scientist to recognize what's happening right now. Nearly all people--even those vehemently arguing that sex is a social construct or that some people have mismatched pink or blue brains--understand that sex is real. Without this tacit knowledge, the entire edifice collapses. Nobody goes to a trans-woman if they want an egg or a surrogate, no matter how severe these transwomen claim their "menstrual cramps" are.

This is a typical response of conservative / authoritarian people who think their adversary as a monolithic group. GW Bush famously said "Aren't they all Muslims?" when he was told Sunnis and Shias did not get along. During the Cold War, most conservatives could not understand how USSR and Chinese Communist Party hated each other given they were both "communist." They could not see how CCP and Vietnam did not get along.. or Vietnam and Cambodia (Khmer Rouge).

You do not "endorse" self-ID in the same way Bibi has never endorsed Hamas. But his policy of undermining PA has made Hamas stronger over the years. You are doing the same thing to the people you referred to as "gatekeepers" in your previous post. You think the goal post is "going back and forth" because you fail to see that "trans people" or their allies are not a monolithic group of people. For you, they are all one and the same, just like "communists" were one and the same for the Cold War Warriors.

"Gatekeeper" are already outnumbered by trans trenders and losing their internal battle over what it means to be "trans." And by working hard to discredit them, you are enabling trans trenders just like Bibi enabled Hamas. There is something called "unintended consequence" in case you have never heard of it.

If I ever called you a "transphobic cis supremacist," then I must have meant it sarcastically. Because I think "transphobic" is meaningless - and never in a million years would I use the word "cis" to label anyone.

I think "cisgender" and "cis" are gibberish words and the thinking behind them is regressively sexist tosh. "Cis" is an in-group word used by members of Church of Genderology to show fealty to the faith and alert others that you/they are true believers who all ascribe to the same dogma, speak the same lingo, and engage in the same rituals. It's a form of virtue-signalling I call genderflecting.

As for your claim that I "think it's old cis men in the state house and congress who should make [the] decision" about whether girls and women should be permitted to have the female-only sports, spaces, services that generations of women fought hard for - really? That comes off as pure fantasy on your part.

You really seem to have a very hard time getting it through your head that some women have minds our own, we are confident in our own reasoning abilities, we don't put all that much stock in men (nice and bright though some of them might be), and we don't see men as our leaders and saviors.

"Gender" not sex is a social construct. In your ideology, the two are one and the same, but that does not explain why "genetic males" have been recognized as women for decades.

AIS and Swyer Syndrome have been known since 1950s, and people who were born with those conditions have been assigned female at birth by doctors who were fully aware of their karyotype. No one on this board answered my question on the reason. They have been assigned female because that is more convenient for society as large.

If sex and gender are one and the same, and it is solely determined by gonads, then Alicia Roth Wiegel and Sara Forsberg would be both assigned male at birth, and they would be raised as "boys." But that would be absurd both for themselves, and the rest of the society. (I guess that would include using boys bathroom and locker rooms as teens.)

Yeah, some women have minds of their own, and there are those who want to accept trans women as their peers. But I guess those women should be dismissed as "delusional" because they don't endorse your ideology.

And if you don't see the old cis men in the state house and congress as your saviors, then perhaps you should stop supporting them to pass anti-trans bills. Once they "take care of" trans issues, they will come after you.