We are at the peak of US High School Distance Running

BTW: 6 years earlier (2012), 16th was 7:52 in College

5 years earlier (2013) for world class, 16th was 13:05

So do not attribute improvement to simple passage of time

The majority of top Arcadia performances are concentrated in the past few years (2021-2024), with 2024 having the most entries (22) and 2023 the fastest average time (8:43.36).

All sub-9:00 clockings over 3,200m and 2 miles over the past 25 Arcadia Invitationals (note, these are times the clock stopped under 9:00 for the athlete, not converted marks that 'would have been' sub-9).

8:34.10 Simeon Birnbaum Rapid City Stevens High School 2023 1 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:34.14 Daniel Simmons American Fork 2023 2 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:34.78 Rocky Hansen Christ School 2023 3 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:34.96 Daniel Simmons American Fork 2024 4 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:34.99 Colin Sahlman Newbury Park (SS) 2022 5 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:35.32 Nathan Neil Bozeman High School 2024 6 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:35.72 Lex Young Newbury Park (SS) 2022 7 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:37.43 Drew Griffith Butler 2024 8 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:38.02 Ryan Pajak Ringgold 2024 9 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:38.34 Ben Jaster American Fork 2024 10 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:38.49 Ethan Edgeworth Cold Springs 2024 11 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:39.89 Josiah Tostenson Crater 2024 12 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:40.00 Nico Young Newbury Park (SS) 2019 13 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:40.46 JoJo Jourdon Olympus 2024 14 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:40.47 Emmanuel Perez Cathedral (SS) 2024 15 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:40.73 Cole Sprout Valor Christian High School 2019 16 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:41.03 Owen Powell Mercer Island High School 2024 17 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:41.05 Porter Middaugh Battle Mountain High School 2024 18 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:41.18 Will Conway Floyd Central High School 2024 19 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:41.40 Dane Eike Valor Christian High School 2024 20 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:41.46 Patrick Koon Leon HS 2024 21 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:41.46 Cooper Teare St. Joseph Notre Dame (NC) 2017 22 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:41.67 Connor Burns Southern Boone County High School 2023 23 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:42.79 Joshua Bell Templeton (CS) 2024 24 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:43.04 Chris Solinsky Stevens Point 2003 25 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:43.19 Noah Jenkins Herriman 2023 26 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:43.26 Joe Barrett Christian Brothers Academy 2024 27 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:43.40 Austin Hindman Lafayette (Wildwood) High School 2017 28 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:43.42 Colin Sahlman Newbury Park (SS) 2021 29 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:43.71 Lex Young Newbury Park (SS) 2021 30 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:44.20 Liam Heninger Mountain View 2023 31 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:44.70 Casey Clinger American Fork 2017 32 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:44.71 Zane Bergen Niwot High School 2022 33 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:44.95 Patrick Koon Leon HS 2023 34 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:45.10 Callum Bolger San Luis Obispo (CS) 2017 35 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:45.19 Chris Caudillo Clovis (CS) 2022 36 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:45.39 Anthony Fast Horse Ventura (SS) 2024 37 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:45.40 Brent Vaughn Smoky Hill High School 2003 38 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:45.58 Luis Grijalva Armijo (SJ) 2017 39 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:45.74 Ben Saarel Park City 2013 40 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.10 Kaden Evans American Fork 2024 41 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.40 Luke Puskedra Judge Memorial (UT) 2008 42 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.41 Zack Munson Sehome High School 2023 43 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.48 Aidan Puffer Manchester High School 2022 44 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.50 Jason Parra Millikan (SS) 2023 45 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.55 Cameron Todd Brebeuf Jesuit Prep School 2024 46 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.80 Blake Haney Stockdale (CS) 2014 47 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.87 JoJo Jourdon Olympus 2023 48 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.88 Tommy Latham Marist 2024 49 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:46.92 Michael Maiorano South Medford 2022 50 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.00 Connor Lane Cardinal Gibbons 2017 51 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.06 Ibzan Felix Arnold O. Beckman (SS) 2024 52 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.07 Bernie Montoya Cibola High School 2013 53 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.17 Evan Noonan Dana Hills (SS) 2024 54 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.19 Emmanuel Sgouros St. John's Houston 2022 55 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.45 Jacob Nenow Jesuit 2023 56 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.47 Jason Parra Millikan (SS) 2024 57 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.57 Finn Gessner Madison La Follette 2017 58 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.59 Brady Mullen Jesuit 2024 59 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.60 Vincent Recupero Bishop Blanchet High School 2023 60 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.75 Futsum Zienasellassie North Central High School (Indianapolis) 2012 61 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.84 Carl Moe Auburn Riverside High School 2003 62 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:47.85 Collin Boler Delbarton School 2023 63 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.00 Dominc Channon Athl Nelson (Nz) 2008 64 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.11 Landon Pretre Menlo School (CC) 2024 65 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.24 Weston Brown Bozeman High School 2023 66 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.25 Bernie Montoya Cibola High School 2012 67 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.28 Aaron Sahlman Newbury Park (SS) 2022 68 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.39 Bobby Curtis St. Xavier 2003 69 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.44 Talon Hull Weber 2017 70 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.44 Chris Solinsky Stevens Point 2002 71 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.58 Blake Haney Stockdale (CS) 2013 72 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.73 Jacob Thomson Holy Cross (Louisville) 2013 73 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.79 Colin Eckerman Webb School of Knoxville 2024 74 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.83 Riku Sugie Thomas Nelson 2024 75 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:48.84 Matthew Watkins Henry M Jackson High School 2017 76 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.12 Craig Nowak Cypress Woods High School 2012 77 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.21 Grant Morgenfeld Palo Alto (CC) 2023 78 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.28 Drew Bosley Homestead 2019 79 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.40 Bret Schoolmeester Denver Christian High School 2002 80 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.58 Tayvon Kitchen Crater 2024 81 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.59 Ammar Moussa Arcadia (SS) 2011 82 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.61 Ethan Hogan Columbia 2023 83 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.62 Charles Hicks Bolles HS 2019 84 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.76 Jake Hurysz Eastern Alamance 2010 85 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.82 Pierre Attiogbe St. Albans School 2023 86 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:49.87 Andrew Bumbalough Brentwood Academy 2004 87 2 Mile Run Finals
8:49.96 Matt Debole Mount Tabor 2003 88 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.02 Marcelo Mantecon Belen Jesuit Preparatory School 2024 89 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.26 Nathan Neil Bozeman High School 2023 90 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.33 Luke Thompson Brentwood Academy 2024 91 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.55 Andrew Rafla Timberline High School (Boise) 2014 92 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.56 Gabe Fendel Hamilton Southeastern High School 2017 93 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.69 Michael Vernau Davis (SJ) 2017 94 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.70 Cole Bullock Red Bank High School 2019 95 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.70 Casey Clinger American Fork 2016 96 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.74 Jack Keelan Chicago (St. Ignatius College Prep) 2013 97 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.79 Carter Spradling Clovis East (CS) 2023 98 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.79 Ian Shanklin Page 2017 99 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.80 Matt Jablonski Loyola-Blakefield High School 2011 100 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.88 Cerake Geberkidane Denver East High School 2014 101 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.95 Marcus Kemp Laurel Creek Track and Field Club 2018 102 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:50.96 Michael Mooney Broomfield High School 2018 103 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.01 Joe Hardy Seattle Preparatory School 2013 104 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.09 Ethan Coleman Olympia High School 2022 105 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.09 Leo Daschbach Highland High 2019 106 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.17 Jonathan Davis Fithian (Oakwood) 2016 107 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.21 Garrett Barton Ogden 2017 108 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.23 Jake Leingang Bismarck High School 2012 109 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.26 Andy Trouard Salpointe Catholic High School 2013 110 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.30 Andrew Acosta El Camino (SD) 2006 111 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.32 Ajani Salcido Jesuit (SJ) 2021 112 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.32 Jack Van Scoter Flintridge Prep (SS) 2016 113 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.40 Anthony Fast Horse Ventura (SS) 2023 114 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.50 Jacob Laney Porter Ridge 2023 115 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.53 Ian Milder Mount Tabor 2014 116 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.58 Callum Bolger San Luis Obispo (CS) 2016 117 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.59 Chris Walden Carmel High School 2011 118 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.60 Rocky Hansen Christ School 2022 119 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.62 James Mwaura Lincoln (Tacoma) Senior High School 2018 120 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.75 Brock Baker Oakland High School 2013 121 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.81 Mckay Johns American Fork 2017 122 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.89 Liam Anderson Redwood (NC) 2019 123 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.93 Evan Holland Ashland 2019 124 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:51.98 Chris Caudillo Clovis (CS) 2021 125 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.00 Jesse Reiser McHenry 2015 126 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.16 Elijah Armstrong Pocatello High School 2015 127 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.18 Garrett Corcoran Villa Park (SS) 2014 128 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.19 Daniel Appleford Newbury Park (SS) 2022 129 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.23 Matt Tebo Eldorado High School 2006 130 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.27 Caleb Webb Big Bear (SS) 2015 131 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.56 Shadrack Kiptoo La Cueva High (NM) 2004 132 2 Mile Run Finals
8:52.62 Zach Dale Hoffman Estates (Conant) 2015 133 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.65 Christian Freeman Carlsbad (SD) 2013 134 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.67 Caleb Pottorff Lincoln Park Academy HS 2017 135 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.72 Jacob McLeod Trinity Dublin Christian School 2018 136 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.74 Liam Anderson Redwood (NC) 2018 137 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.75 Steven Hassen Ocala Vanguard HS 2003 138 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.78 Paul Bergeron Westford Academy 2023 139 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.79 Connor Burns Southern Boone County High School 2022 140 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.81 Brody Hartley Walla Walla Senior High School 2023 141 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.90 Conner Mantz Sky View 2014 142 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.94 Jake Leingang Bismarck High School 2013 143 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:52.95 Nolan Topper Bellarmine College Prep (CC) 2021 144 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.02 Evert Silva Fresno (CS) 2017 145 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.07 Emmanuel Perez Cathedral (SS) 2023 146 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.08 Garrett O'Toole Middlesex School 2014 147 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.09 Brian Shrader Sinagua High School 2010 148 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.12 Zack Munson Sehome High School 2022 149 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.23 Bryce Gilmore Sage Creek (SD) 2022 150 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.39 Tim Nelson Liberty Christian (NS) 2003 151 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.42 Ryan Oosting Arlington High School 2018 152 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.42 Ben Veatch Carmel High School 2015 153 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.44 Nick Falk Winnetka (New Trier) 2022 154 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.47 Ben Sitler St. Francis (CC) 2006 155 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.49 Eddie Sion Crescenta Valley (SS) 2024 156 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.49 Robert Brandt Loyola (SS) 2015 157 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.66 Matthew Donis Highland (SS) 2023 158 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.77 Parker Simmons Crescenta Valley (SS) 2023 159 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.95 Steven Fahy La Costa Canyon (SD) 2014 160 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:53.96 Olaf Dietz Berkeley (NC) 2024 161 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.01 Juan Gonzalez El Toro (SS) 2013 162 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.06 Carter Cheeseman Fort Worth Christian 2018 163 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.06 Ben Veatch Carmel High School 2016 164 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.12 Michael Clevenger Decatur (MacArthur) 2012 165 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.13 Austin Tamagno Brea Olinda (SS) 2015 166 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.14 Cooper Teare St. Joseph Notre Dame (NC) 2016 167 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.17 Jason Parra Millikan (SS) 2022 168 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.19 Micah Grossman Ventura (SS) 2024 169 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.19 Owen Bosley Homestead 2023 170 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.20 Travis Feeny Ogden 2017 171 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.21 Broen Holman Sonora (SJ) 2024 172 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.23 Ethan Godsey Agoura (SS) 2022 173 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.31 Jesse Reiser McHenry 2014 174 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.32 Charlie Ortmans The Potomac School 2023 175 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.36 Maximo Zavaleta ML King (SS) 2024 176 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.37 Matthew Edwards The Classical Academy 2024 177 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.43 Christian Groendyk Fort Collins High School 2023 178 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.45 Noah Kauppila Marquette High School 2013 179 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.46 Kyle Alcorn Buchanan (CS) 2003 180 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.51 Darren Fahy La Costa Canyon (SD) 2012 181 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.53 James Mwaura Lincoln (Tacoma) Senior High School 2017 182 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.65 Ryan Raff Lehi 2018 183 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.65 Blake Haney Stockdale (CS) 2012 184 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.68 Colin Baker Academic Magnet 2019 185 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.78 Justin Hazell El Camino Real Charter (LA) 2017 186 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.83 Kutoven Stevens Yerington High School 2022 187 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.85 Daegan Cutter Redwood (NC) 2023 188 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.85 William Nelson Taft (CS) 2002 189 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:54.93 Nate Boutin John Jay Campus 2023 190 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.01 Eduardo Herrera Madera South (CS) 2016 191 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.03 Fred Huxham Redwood (NC) 2014 192 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.04 Camren Fischer Fayetteville High School 2019 193 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.06 Carter Spradling Clovis East (CS) 2024 194 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.09 Brett Gotcher Aptos (CC) 2002 195 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.10 Joseph Perazzo Susan E. Wagner 2023 196 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.20 Diego Mercado West Covina (SS) 2006 197 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.24 Zach Perrin Flathead High School 2012 198 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.25 Joe Hardy Seattle Preparatory School 2014 199 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.28 Dallin Farnsworth Highland High School (Pocatello) 2012 200 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.42 Brandon Lord Baylor School 2010 201 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.46 Josh Chu Ponderosa (SJ) 2024 202 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.51 Craig Engels Reagan 2012 203 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.52 Joshua Bell Templeton (CS) 2023 204 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.52 Yosef Ghebray Logan High School 2004 205 2 Mile Run Finals
8:55.53 Michael Phillips Chiles HS 2018 206 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.53 Darren Fahy La Costa Canyon (SD) 2011 207 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.56 Alek Parsons Ogden 2015 208 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.61 Leland Later Winnetka (New Trier) 2012 209 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.63 Keegan Smith Knoxville Catholic High School 2024 210 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.64 Dylon Nalley Marion (H.S.) 2024 211 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.67 Mohamed Trafeh Duarte (SS) 2003 212 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.75 Matt Mizereck Leon HS 2010 213 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.76 Sam Pons South Pasadena (SS) 2010 214 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.78 Sam Rich Catawba Ridge HS 2022 215 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.79 Billy Orman Tuba City High School 2011 216 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.80 Manuel Ruiz Monroe High 2003 217 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.82 Leo Young Newbury Park (SS) 2021 218 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.86 Jack Keelan Chicago (St. Ignatius College Prep) 2012 219 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.92 Elijah Armstrong Pocatello High School 2014 220 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.93 Tibebu Proctor The Northwest School 2017 221 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.93 Eduardo Herrera Madera South (CS) 2015 222 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.97 Hayden Boaz Summit 2024 223 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:55.97 Isaac Teeples Kamiakin High School 2022 224 3200 Meter Run Finals

8:56.07 Braden King Jesuit (SJ) 2022 225 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.07 Trevor Gilley Carroll High School 2013 226 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.09 Riley Sullivan Trabuco Hills 2008 227 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.11 Austin Westfall Orem 2024 228 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.11 Luke Thompson Brentwood Academy 2023 229 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.12 Scott Morgan Calvary Baptist Day School 2011 230 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.14 Stuart Smith Nathan Hale High School 2015 231 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.20 Chris Barnicle Newton North High 2005 232 2 Mile Run Finals
8:56.21 Thomas Graham Cary Academy 2012 233 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.25 Wesley Walsh Canyon - Anaheim Hills (SS) 2015 234 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.34 Joshua Schuld Arnold O. Beckman (SS) 2021 235 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.35 Zach Dale Hoffman Estates (Conant) 2014 236 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.35 Christopher Kollar Strongsville 2003 237 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.41 Brian Zabilski Saugus (SS) 2015 238 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.49 Cameron Ponder Mount Tabor 2017 239 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.49 Bobby Lockhart John Handley (VA) 2002 240 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.52 Joe Waskom Mount Si High School 2019 241 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.55 Estevan De La Rosa Arcadia (SS) 2014 242 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.69 Nurani Sheikh Highland 2002 243 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.73 Colin Peattie Bellarmine College Prep (CC) 2021 244 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.74 Nathaniel Avila Clovis (CS) 2022 245 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.77 Daniel Appleford Newbury Park (SS) 2021 246 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.80 Colin Barker Bishop Kenny HS 2010 247 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.84 Danny Kilrea LaGrange (Lyons) 2018 248 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.86 Ethan Miller Monte Vista (NC) 2023 249 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.86 Steven Sum Saratoga (CC) 2015 250 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.86 Austin Tamagno Brea Olinda (SS) 2014 251 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.88 Ryan Stanley Trabuco Hills (SS) 2024 252 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.89 Braden King Jesuit (SJ) 2021 253 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.96 Dalton Hengst McDonogh School 2017 254 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:56.99 Jack Bertram North Allegheny 2024 255 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.00 John Dressel Mount Spokane High School 2014 256 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.08 Bobby Lockhart John Handley (VA) 2001 257 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.10 Adam Peterman Hellgate High School 2013 258 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.10 Tony Smoragiewicz Rapid City Central High School 2012 259 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.13 Sean Lacey Bella Vista (SJ) 2021 260 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.18 Cruize Corvin Lakes High School 2023 261 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.19 Milo Skapinsky San Luis Obispo (CS) 2022 262 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.19 Jake Rainey Rossview High School 2010 263 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.19 Adam Tenforde Hanford (WA) 1999 264 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.25 Brandon Garnica Springville 2018 265 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.26 Matteo Tonnos Farragut High School 2024 266 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.26 Aaron Cantu Newbury Park (SS) 2023 267 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.29 Eli Fitchen-Young Santa Cruz (CC) 2024 268 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.29 Omar Alsaidi Oakdale (SJ) 2024 269 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.29 Gavin Ehlers Westhampton Beach 2022 270 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.33 John Bennett Granada (NC) 2018 271 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.34 Alex Mader Lick Wilmerding (NC) 2021 272 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.40 Micah Wilson St. Charles (East) 2022 273 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.42 Alex Crabill Charles Wright Academy 2006 274 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.44 Owen Bishop Claremont (SS) 2017 275 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.45 Will Sheets Covington Catholic 2024 276 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.47 Dawson Reeves Christ School 2023 277 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.53 Maxwell Hofheins Herriman 2024 278 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.60 Stephen Pifer Edwardsville (H.S.) 2003 279 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.62 Chase Equall Bozeman High School 2017 280 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.65 Tony Smoragiewicz Rapid City Central High School 2011 281 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.67 Caleb Easton Middleton 2019 282 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.68 Zach Perrin Flathead High School 2013 283 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.69 Conor Gibson West Torrance (SS) 2022 284 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.73 Emanuel Salas Sanger (CS) 2021 285 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.74 Daniel Winter St. Mary's (SJ) 2022 286 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.77 Maximus Haynia Westhampton Beach 2023 287 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.77 Walter Schafer Cherry Creek High School 2010 288 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.79 Thomas Boyden Skyline 2019 289 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.79 Alec Thomas Brentwood High School 2014 290 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.81 Seth Hirsch Millard West High School 2017 291 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.83 Teg Pandher Clovis North (CS) 2024 292 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.86 Kurt Ruegg Napa (NC) 2010 293 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.89 Will Venable Broughton 2024 294 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.90 Camyn Viger Plainfield (South) 2024 295 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:57.97 Ben Barrett Norman North High School 2015 296 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.02 Vincent Recupero Bishop Blanchet High School 2024 297 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.02 Daniel Winter St. Mary's (SJ) 2021 298 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.03 Evan Garber Spokane Mead (WA) 2004 299 2 Mile Run Finals
8:58.11 Luke Liming Cary 2024 300 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.12 Jacob Laney Porter Ridge 2022 301 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.12 Jacob Thomson Holy Cross (Louisville) 2012 302 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.14 Grant Gardner Springville 2018 303 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.15 Collin Jarvis Rancho Buena Vista (SD) 2009 304 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.19 John Lawson Archie Williams (NC) 2013 305 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.21 Grant Morgenfeld Palo Alto (CC) 2024 306 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.26 Ben Bradshaw American Fork 2024 307 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.27 Steve Magnuson Ironwood Ridge High School 2010 308 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.28 Blair Hurlock De La Salle (NC) 2014 309 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.33 Ryan Harrington Great Falls High School 2024 310 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.37 Wesley Shipsey Central Catholic 2022 311 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.45 Sandy Roberts Broughton 2006 312 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.46 Ammar Moussa Arcadia (SS) 2010 313 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.51 Brock Baker Oakland High School 2012 314 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.53 Parker Stinson Cedar Park 2010 315 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.57 Quinn Parrish James River (Midlothian) 2024 316 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.60 Jack Beckstrom Herriman 2024 317 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.61 Jack Yearian Bellarmine Preparatory School 2015 318 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.66 Will Sheehy Harvard Westlake (SS) 2022 319 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.71 Tim Freriks Mingus Union High School 2009 320 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.72 Andrew Hauser Rock Bridge High School 2023 321 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.74 David Kinsella Inglemoor (WA) 2004 322 2 Mile Run Finals
8:58.76 Ryan Raff Lehi 2017 323 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.78 Charles Hicks Bolles HS 2018 324 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.82 Bryce Gilmore Sage Creek (SD) 2021 325 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.87 Joe Waskom Mount Si High School 2018 326 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.87 Stephen Mugeche Blue Springs High School 2014 327 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.89 Lucas Cohen Albany (NC) 2024 328 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.90 Kashon Harrison Kirtland Central High School 2019 329 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:58.95 Colby Wissel Kearney High (NE) 2004 330 2 Mile Run Finals
8:58.97 Eric Hamer Palmer Ridge High School 2015 331 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.01 William Steadman Herriman 2024 332 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.01 Erik Olson Novato (NC) 2010 333 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.04 Drew Bosley Homestead 2018 334 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.06 Clint McKelvey Maryville High School 2010 335 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.07 Ben Eversole Castro Valley (NC) 2011 336 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.09 Eric Ortega-Gammill Reno High School 2024 337 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.09 Sherod Hardt Queen Creek High School 2010 338 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.10 Noah Shannon Fort Collins High School 2006 339 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.12 Sean Morello Albany (NC) 2023 340 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.13 Landon Heemeyer Rocky Mountain High School 2024 341 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.17 Devin Meyrer Lafayette (Wildwood) High School 2016 342 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.21 Eyan Turk Woodcrest Christian (SS) 2024 343 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.25 Will Brunner Battle Mountain High School 2023 344 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.28 Porter Middaugh Battle Mountain High School 2023 345 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.28 Jacob Burcham Cabell Midland 2013 346 3200 Meter Run Finals
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8:59.55 Anthony Ocegueda Reed High School 2017 356 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.57 Paul Luevano Venice (LA) 2016 357 3200 Meter Run Finals
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8:59.58 Domenic D'Acqui Enterprise (NS) 2011 359 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.63 Mark Alizzi Syosset 2003 360 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.73 Jake Heslington Timpanogos 2013 361 3200 Meter Run Finals
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8:59.84 Philip Hall South View 2015 365 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.85 Mason Coppi Dana Hills (SS) 2016 366 3200 Meter Run Finals
8:59.85 Jason Crist Franklin Central High School 2011 367 3200 Meter Run Finals
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Every coach will tell you that when they have guys do workouts in regualar trainers, the times that the workouts indicate ends up being significantly faster today with superspikes than their athletes had historically run.

Did every coach tell you?

I had one of my athletes who's a 840s 3200 meter runner on 5 different spikes and only 2 were "super" shoes while doing a 10*400 meter rep workout. He rotated all of them and he still average 60-61 in each rep so I find this whole shoe thing to possibly be a gimmick. Maybe it helps a bit but to say two seconds per lap is crazy!

Break was time to the exact second for all reps.

When posters estimate the effect for shoes, they don’t acknowledge that it goes both ways. If the shoes result in a 10 second improvement, LV could have run 8:19. 11 seconds for Bekele calculates to 12:16, or 4:00 pace. How do reconcile those times with your estimates?

How is that both ways? The opposite way would be slower. The simple answer is that the elite guys of the past would be faster with better shoes. You sound silly to suggest otherwise. My team runs the same workouts that my teams ran 20 years ago but I have had 5 guys break 9:10 in the past 3 years while I had none break 9:15 prior to that doing the same workouts in the same times. The only difference are their race day shoes. I can't be the only one who has real life data to compare.

Both ways mean before and after the new shoes. Again, how do you reconcile the ridiculous times that previous distance record holders would have theoretically have run with the new shoes? You suggest previous runners would have run faster? There’s absolutely no way LV could have run 8:19 or Bekele 4:00 minute mile pace for 5000m.

Your story about 9:15 and 9:00 kids could not be more irrelevant. There are always going to be variations in talent of the runners coming out for the team?

I’ll ask my question again, do you believe Bekele and LV could have run those times?

No way to know without asking him, but I’m pretty sure he would have returned to running. When he tried to comeback from his injury, he initially focused on running.

The question at this point is simply:

Do the supershoes improve HS 3200m performance by 14 seconds, 15 seconds or 16 seconds?

...and is the greater improvement seen by HS 3200m runners (vs pro runners) simply due to the fact that they run slower (they basically run the 3200m at a pace similar to what Kipchoge runs his marathon) and the super spikes are optimized for 2:50/km pace, which is why we are not seeing the same % improvement in the HS 800m for example.

Would be cool to ban super spikes in season and then allow them for championships. Then we would know how much of a difference it makes.

And to the poster about the ridiculous times the top guys would have posted if they had super spikes.

First, the faster you are the less help you’re going to get. The fastest guys ever are already very efficient and get maximum energy return from the track. That’s why they are so good (and perhaps a little outside help too… ahem).

But yeah, Bekele and Geb probably would have broken 12:30 in them. That wouldn’t have shocked me.

The brojos did the pre and post analysis on kipchoge in the marathon. Look that up.

LV maybe 8:25. Sure. Why not?

LV had all the help in the world to run that time. He was put in a professional race. Doesn't deserve to be put in a pedestal above the other runners on the all-time list.

BTW: 16 seconds is only 3% of a 9minute 3200m

Notice how 1600m and 800m times don't have nearly that level of depth nationally. Still few break 4 here and there over the years but not en mass like 27 under 8:50!

That tells me these kids are juiced on threshold, mileage and benefit from x% in economy gains from supershoes but it all falls apart the longer they intend to live near or below 60 second pace. That still needs more raw talent.

I think you also have to take into account some of the following:

1- alot of these boys have private coaches and mentors.... they may appear to run for their HS, but in reality they are private coached. Private coaches for high schoolers has multiplied and many now have personal mentors who guide them along in what to do in a race like arcadia

2- many of these boys have been running since very young ages... brought up in advanced usatf running clubs and teams and are advanced in running age.

3- many of 1 and 2 have wealthy parents who supply altitude tents, massages, regular pt sessions and high end supplements, etc. and yes Altitude tents!!

4- there are some hs with really good coaches ( Mark Wetmore started as a high school coach); however there are many hs coaches who overtrain their athletes and make a mess of the athletes and take no responsibility for it.

Many are trained like college athletes these days....

Running a 4 min mile is like a 8:32 2 mile. All these 8:50s are like 4:10 miles. And yeah the 2 mile is a bit more trainable that running 60mpw instead of 45 drops a lot of people from 20s/mile slower to more like 15s. We do see a ton more 3:58-4:02 than we used to but that is a vastly different talent level than 8:50.

The 800m is weird in that most kids(the sub 1:48 crowd) seem to be 400/800m runners. The training is no where near as simple as run some more miles. It could be cognitive bias but it always feels like you get more people with 1 crazy year and the struggles to repeat. See Flatt for the poster child…

You see any runners from class 2011 or even 2010 near his two mile mark? Looking at the performance lists now. There's a reason he was allowed in that race as a kid. Winning NXN and Footlocker in the same season put him above everyone. Sub 4 from the front in the rain/wind in a highschool only race look it up.