Yes, there were too many but there would have been shoving anyway without an alpha front runner to keep it honest. They had just 6 in the men's 800m final and it was like a roller derby out there with Mariano, Crestan, and especially Robert. You have to compete indoors enough to deal with these situations. What happened to Nordas was that he got blocked at the line, guys on either side of him getting the jump on him and closing him out so he had to step back and start behind almost everyone, then he ran erratically with no clear plan, out to lane 3 back to lane 1 out to lane 3. In the end, it was his lack of a great kick that cost him the race because he got himself on the penultimate lap up to 3rd and then he let Cole Hocker box him on the backstretch of the bell lap because he wasn't taking the outside spot to pass and waited too long, then he simply did not have as much closing speed as Hocker, Beamish, Kessler, and Nader. He needs more indoor races under his belt and more closing speed. They can't all be a Jakob special.
Exactly. Only 6 people in the 800 and that had way more contact, pushing, and traffic than the 1500. Even the 3000 was worse with that one guy getting lapped twice. The problem for Nordas was the slow pace, not the number of people on the track.
Less contact doesn't mean there isn't a huge crowd there boxing you in.
Indoor track is fine for high school meets where not everyone is of equal ability, and they all gap each other.
For sitting and kicking elites, it's an absurdity. It looks like short track speed skating.
If I’m not mistaken, Beamish had to race the same number of guys and he managed to win. This guy says he’s a poor tactician, but he’s still better than beamish …..who was a better tactician and a better finisher therefore, you guessed it, a better runner
He is 100% correct. They take 12 to the final outdoors, now they have 14 indoors on a track half the size?
That makes this race mostly luck. Beamish never had good position, he didn't race it tactically well. He was VERY fortunate that a gap opened up.
Beamish still won fair and square and he earned the win. But no matter what, half of the field was going to get tripped and pushed and shoved so much that they'd have no chance.
lol @ mostly luck... i don't think that word means what you think it means
As a Norwegian, I have to take issue with the clickbaity title of this story. Yes, you can pick out a single sentence where Nordås says he is better than Beamish, but it doesn't at all match the tone or intent of the story.
With respect to PR's, Narve is better than Beamish - there's a 7-second gap between them (outdoors). Narve spent more time in this interview acknowledging that he ran a tactically poor race than he claimed to be better than Beamish.
The entire story here should be, and your post title should have reflected that the organizers and WA ended up putting about 6 to many runners in a final than should have ideally been there.
Like in the long jump - where there still were rakes in the pit when the athlete landed, and in the 4x400m heats - where an official forcefully pulled the athlete of the leading team into lane 4-5, the organizers royally screwed up here.
Instead of driving readers here into being livid with Narve, you might want to drive them into being livid with the organizers?
As a Norwegian, I have to take issue with the clickbaity title of this story. Yes, you can pick out a single sentence where Nordås says he is better than Beamish, but it doesn't at all match the tone or intent of the story.
With respect to PR's, Narve is better than Beamish - there's a 7-second gap between them (outdoors). Narve spent more time in this interview acknowledging that he ran a tactically poor race than he claimed to be better than Beamish.
The entire story here should be, and your post title should have reflected that the organizers and WA ended up putting about 6 to many runners in a final than should have ideally been there.
Like in the long jump - where there still were rakes in the pit when the athlete landed, and in the 4x400m heats - where an official forcefully pulled the athlete of the leading team into lane 4-5, the organizers royally screwed up here.
Instead of driving readers here into being livid with Narve, you might want to drive them into being livid with the organizers?
Exactly. I’m tired of these hobby jogger keyboard warriors waiting to hate on someone because they say 1 thing out of context and focus on nothing else
Nordas would never been able to run to the front like Kessler did. He is to slow. As Gjert I said: It was poorly executed by Narve. Though he will be one of the medalcontenders in Paris. This time he should have given the credit to those who ran better. It was deep frustration.
So now Nordas is too slow to take over in a race run at 58-second pace with a burnup at the end. Do you guys realize how ridiculous this is for a guy who closed a worlds in 52 and has run 3:29? Maybe he is too slow to get to the front in the first 100, but he doesn't try on that front from what I've seen anyway.
In the women's race, Emily Mackay whose PB is 2:00.1 for 800 and can probably narrowly go under 2 (at best) was able to *blow by* 6 women to take the lead because she dropped a sub-30 pace surge I believe.
Narve if he so wanted could've went all the way to the front at any point from 300-1100. Get outside and inject a 13pt second 100. Sure Hobbs might resist a bit, but Keter got ahead of him several times. But you and I both know why he didn't do it. For better or for worse, he is pretty much a one-trick pony with his talk of "the lactic" and such. He is not gonna risk red-lining before the last 400 because he thinks he's gonna mow down the field late with his "superior fitness/training."
I think the “better than” comment is coming from the fact that Nordas is a 3:29 world bronze medalist and Beamish, though very talented, has never been at the top level in the 1500.
........and yesterday Beamish became a world gold medalist and Nordas was a world FOURTH place finisher.
Nordas would never been able to run to the front like Kessler did. He is to slow. As Gjert I said: It was poorly executed by Narve. Though he will be one of the medalcontenders in Paris. This time he should have given the credit to those who ran better. It was deep frustration.
So now Nordas is too slow to take over in a race run at 58-second pace with a burnup at the end. Do you guys realize how ridiculous this is for a guy who closed a worlds in 52 and has run 3:29? Maybe he is too slow to get to the front in the first 100, but he doesn't try on that front from what I've seen anyway.
In the women's race, Emily Mackay whose PB is 2:00.1 for 800 and can probably narrowly go under 2 (at best) was able to *blow by* 6 women to take the lead because she dropped a sub-30 pace surge I believe.
Narve if he so wanted could've went all the way to the front at any point from 300-1100. Get outside and inject a 13pt second 100. Sure Hobbs might resist a bit, but Keter got ahead of him several times. But you and I both know why he didn't do it. For better or for worse, he is pretty much a one-trick pony with his talk of "the lactic" and such. He is not gonna risk red-lining before the last 400 because he thinks he's gonna mow down the field late with his "superior fitness/training."
If he bases his tactic on "the lactic" he needs to learn some biochemistry 🤔
I think the “better than” comment is coming from the fact that Nordas is a 3:29 world bronze medalist and Beamish, though very talented, has never been at the top level in the 1500.
........and yesterday Beamish became a world gold medalist and Nordas was a world FOURTH place finisher.
Exactly. I’m tired of these hobby jogger keyboard warriors waiting to hate on someone because they say 1 thing out of context and focus on nothing else
This is fairly typical of discussion forums, and perhaps more so on this site. People looking for drama will latch on to anything that gives them that.
In this case it should be that it should be a very long time until any indoor international event is hosted in Glasgow again - there were too many amateur hour errors in what took place from them (to the point where I won't rule out the torn Achilles in the pentathlon being dependent on the track surface)
beamish is one of the most humble people i have come across in my life. sure he may say things like: im only the 4th best on my team. but he is wrong. he is a lot better than he gives himself credit for and i think pretty soon he will have the times to back up being a world indoors champion
Nothing to do with the organisers, Nordas’ tactics (and positioning) were poor, and he simply ran further than the 4 runners who finished in front of him.
He pretty much is still saying they're not better than me, what with the dry statement on lactic acid. I don't find that to be gracious. Just say you're disappointed you ran like a dumba--. I doubt it would've gone differently with 4 fewer guys in the race. It's indoors and he didn't have the balls to take it from the front nor does he have the best kick. At least he didn't have to manhandle a lapped Afghan in lane 1 en route to bell lap.
John Landy had a cut foot in the 'mile of the century' and told no one. You either race and accept your fate or pull out. The blame thing, even if true, smacks of excuse and disrespects ones opponents.
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