A difficult one. She’s the editor of a running magazine, but in terms of athletic status, she is obviously an out and out amateur.
Not really comfortable with someone’s life being ruined over what are, in the grand scheme of things, utterly inconsequential events.
That's the point actually. She IS a editor of a running magazine (oh the irony)
Fully understand. I'm genuinely on the fence.
I just don't really like public shaming, at least when there's no chance of redemption. Editing a magazine about athletics is not the same as being an athlete. And her times reflect that.
I fully understand why people might disagree, but this lady will potentially face a far greater impact to her entire life than professional athletes who have dabbled in the dark arts.
I also can't quite understand *why* she would go to such lengths to achieve such pointless ends.
"I am really disturbed by the comments I've seen about Joasia Zakrzewski: of course she's made a terrible mistake but she's a human being."
posted on this person's now deleted twitter account on April 19, 2023 (week of the London Marathon, and 2 weeks after the half marathon), link still visible on google along with some interesting commentary for and against this take underneath.
Zakrewski is the ultrarunner who jumped in a car to take third place in a 50 mile race.
"I am really disturbed by the comments I've seen about Joasia Zakrzewski: of course she's made a terrible mistake but she's a human being."
posted on this person's now deleted twitter account on April 19, 2023 (week of the London Marathon, and 2 weeks after the half marathon), link still visible on google along with some interesting commentary for and against this take underneath.
Zakrewski is the ultrarunner who jumped in a car to take third place in a 50 mile race.
It is cheating at sport. There are far far worse things that people do but it is cheating at sport, the very sport in which she has managed to carve out a thriving career. If you make a career in sport (doesnt have to be as an elite performer) then you surely have to abide by the rules of that sport to retain any credibility in it. If you fly totally against the rules of the sport (and two separate occasions can't be a moment of madness) then at the very least you are exposed as a blatant hypocrite. This should thus raise doubts on the merits of holding a position in the sport. And, in principle, whether that position is remunerated or not is a secondary point.
If there is a significant moral distinction between a non elite athlete doping, and the cases in point here, I dont see it.
A difficult one. She’s the editor of a running magazine, but in terms of athletic status, she is obviously an out and out amateur.
Not really comfortable with someone’s life being ruined over what are, in the grand scheme of things, utterly inconsequential events.
That's the point actually. She IS a editor of a running magazine (oh the irony)
And she didn't just do this quietly. This was an elaborate scheming all of which were to post on her social media. What happens to her job is RW's choice but the attention she is getting is rightly deserved.
It is cheating at sport. There are far far worse things that people do but it is cheating at sport, the very sport in which she has managed to carve out a thriving career. If you make a career in sport (doesnt have to be as an elite performer) then you surely have to abide by the rules of that sport to retain any credibility in it. If you fly totally against the rules of the sport (and two separate occasions can't be a moment of madness) then at the very least you are exposed as a blatant hypocrite. This should thus raise doubts on the merits of holding a position in the sport. And, in principle, whether that position is remunerated or not is a secondary point.
If there is a significant moral distinction between a non elite athlete doping, and the cases in point here, I dont see it.
I think what I dislike is the public shaming. Ideally, if we had any faith in our institutions, the details would be passed to her employers and it would be dealt with by them. But those days have gone, and social media is what it is.
And I think there is a distinction. At the very elite end of sport, you are not only cheating the sport, but you are cheating other individuals *out* of their rightful victory, to say nothing of financial earnings. There is a direct consequential link between your actions and another individual's loss.
Doctoring your times when you are finishing amongst the great morass of marathon runners simply isn't robbing them of anything. Perhaps some Corinthian ideal of what sport means, but when you're finishing in the same time range as a man or woman dressed as Scooby Doo, that perfect ideal has sadly passed.
Of course, that she is an editor of a running magazine is amusingly ironic. And knowing now who her husband is, I can't help but feel a slight tinge of Schadenfreude.
Another jump to conclusions screed based on flimsy evidence and conjecture. Derek is a failed runner looking to punish anyone who more successful than him.
Guess you are one of the ones he busted for cheating
I think what I dislike is the public shaming. Ideally, if we had any faith in our institutions, the details would be passed to her employers and it would be dealt with by them. But those days have gone, and social media is what it is.
And I think there is a distinction. At the very elite end of sport, you are not only cheating the sport, but you are cheating other individuals *out* of their rightful victory, to say nothing of financial earnings. There is a direct consequential link between your actions and another individual's loss.
Doctoring your times when you are finishing amongst the great morass of marathon runners simply isn't robbing them of anything. Perhaps some Corinthian ideal of what sport means, but when you're finishing in the same time range as a man or woman dressed as Scooby Doo, that perfect ideal has sadly passed.
Of course, that she is an editor of a running magazine is amusingly ironic. And knowing now who her husband is, I can't help but feel a slight tinge of Schadenfreude.
So cheating hobby jogger times is irrelevant and totally not comparable to elite athletes doping, but you can't help feeling a slight tinge of schadenfreude because her husband is a famous journalist who has helped expose the rampant doping in Kenya that has cheated dozens of athletes out of medals, millions of dollars in prize money, and the trust of millions of spectators?
I think what I dislike is the public shaming. Ideally, if we had any faith in our institutions, the details would be passed to her employers and it would be dealt with by them. But those days have gone, and social media is what it is.
And I think there is a distinction. At the very elite end of sport, you are not only cheating the sport, but you are cheating other individuals *out* of their rightful victory, to say nothing of financial earnings. There is a direct consequential link between your actions and another individual's loss.
Doctoring your times when you are finishing amongst the great morass of marathon runners simply isn't robbing them of anything. Perhaps some Corinthian ideal of what sport means, but when you're finishing in the same time range as a man or woman dressed as Scooby Doo, that perfect ideal has sadly passed.
Of course, that she is an editor of a running magazine is amusingly ironic. And knowing now who her husband is, I can't help but feel a slight tinge of Schadenfreude.
So cheating hobby jogger times is irrelevant and totally not comparable to elite athletes doping, but you can't help feeling a slight tinge of schadenfreude because her husband is a famous journalist who has helped expose the rampant doping in Kenya that has cheated dozens of athletes out of medals, millions of dollars in prize money, and the trust of millions of spectators?
I think what I dislike is the public shaming. Ideally, if we had any faith in our institutions, the details would be passed to her employers and it would be dealt with by them. But those days have gone, and social media is what it is.
And I think there is a distinction. At the very elite end of sport, you are not only cheating the sport, but you are cheating other individuals *out* of their rightful victory, to say nothing of financial earnings. There is a direct consequential link between your actions and another individual's loss.
Doctoring your times when you are finishing amongst the great morass of marathon runners simply isn't robbing them of anything. Perhaps some Corinthian ideal of what sport means, but when you're finishing in the same time range as a man or woman dressed as Scooby Doo, that perfect ideal has sadly passed.
Of course, that she is an editor of a running magazine is amusingly ironic. And knowing now who her husband is, I can't help but feel a slight tinge of Schadenfreude.
To be clear, I did say non-elite doping, as the elite dopers obviously have the financial aspect (and consequent detriment on those directly behind them). I fully agree the cheating was victimless. So, in any measurable way, were all the Whitehall staff booze ups during lockdown, or Dominic Cummings Covid lockdown easter trip to Durham Castle to 'test his eyesight' but that doesn't in itself mean people aren't justifiably repelled.
People who use social media to build their careers and profile to, arguably, disproportionate levels of prominence, do leave themselves vulnerable to disproportionate comedowns if they are proven to be not quite what they present themselves as.
I think what I dislike is the public shaming. Ideally, if we had any faith in our institutions, the details would be passed to her employers and it would be dealt with by them. But those days have gone, and social media is what it is.
And I think there is a distinction. At the very elite end of sport, you are not only cheating the sport, but you are cheating other individuals *out* of their rightful victory, to say nothing of financial earnings. There is a direct consequential link between your actions and another individual's loss.
Doctoring your times when you are finishing amongst the great morass of marathon runners simply isn't robbing them of anything. Perhaps some Corinthian ideal of what sport means, but when you're finishing in the same time range as a man or woman dressed as Scooby Doo, that perfect ideal has sadly passed.
Of course, that she is an editor of a running magazine is amusingly ironic. And knowing now who her husband is, I can't help but feel a slight tinge of Schadenfreude.
To be clear, I did say non-elite doping, as the elite dopers obviously have the financial aspect (and consequent detriment on those directly behind them). I fully agree the cheating was victimless. So, in any measurable way, were all the Whitehall staff booze ups during lockdown, or Dominic Cummings Covid lockdown easter trip to Durham Castle to 'test his eyesight' but that doesn't in itself mean people aren't justifiably repelled.
People who use social media to build their careers and profile to, arguably, disproportionate levels of prominence, do leave themselves vulnerable to disproportionate comedowns if they are proven to be not quite what they present themselves as.
I don't think the Whitehall parties are comparable because, at that time, the Government were passing the strictest measures on our personal liberty since World War 2. It was outrageous that they should have been flouting those same rules. Not only morally reprehensible, but it was against the (admittedly silly) measures that they had brought into place. There really was a direct consequential link between behaviours.
Anyway, I'm conscious that I come across as if I am defending this lady. Absolutely not. And, to be clear, I take no issue with the likely conclusion, being the fact that she will lose her job and likely never enter a race again. I just hate the public shaming. Social media is a blood sport these days.
Another jump to conclusions screed based on flimsy evidence and conjecture. Derek is a failed runner looking to punish anyone who more successful than him.
Guess you are one of the ones he busted for cheating
nah, I am one of the MUCH faster runners than Derek could ever hope to be. So I know, he will try to target me next. Bring it Derek!
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