An ironclad rule of Letsrun: If your workout makes it to the message board, you ran it too hard, and are cooked by the time your goal competition arrives. So no, he's not in 205 shape, and will not make the Olympic team. He'll hang in there for 13 miles or so and then fall off the pace. And in typical runner fashion, wonder why he wasn't at his best on race day.
I remember this happened with Eric Holt, so I'm gonna try to keep this rule in mind and see if it actually plays out.
Whats your evidence? Hansons have a long history of taking second tier athletes and making them competitive on the National, and sometimes International scene. In my opinion thats doing something right. If that's overtraining, perhaps you should be taking notes?
Have literally any top 100 college kid keep training after college you would see the same or better results.
That's the point of the group. At the time of their inception, they were what, the only independent running shop that put the resources toward giving those top-100 kids an opportunity to train after college.
Tons of criticism toward the group, but only a few entities have stepped up to do something similar.
Have literally any top 100 college kid keep training after college you would see the same or better results.
That's an absurd statement.
Panning is WAY better than the 100th guy in the NCAA and was way better in college. In 2019, he ran 13:37 for 5000. Do you know how many D1 college guys ran 13:37 in 2019? 16.
If they are suited for the marathon, the 100th NCAA guy probably could train to be like 2:12-2:14 back in the day (maybe 2:10-12 now with super shoes). Panning is a 2:09-2:12 type (2:07-2:10 with super shoes) guy now.
Have literally any top 100 college kid keep training after college you would see the same or better results.
That's an absurd statement.
Panning is WAY better than the 100th guy in the NCAA and was way better in college. In 2019, he ran 13:37 for 5000. Do you know how many D1 college guys ran 13:37 in 2019? 16.
If they are suited for the marathon, the 100th NCAA guy probably could train to be like 2:12-2:14 back in the day (maybe 2:10-12 now with super shoes). Panning is a 2:09-2:12 type (2:07-2:10 with super shoes) guy now.
If he can run 2:07 then he can run 2:07. Those are the facts. There is no “super shoe” (your words not mine) conversion
Galen rupp 24 mile long run with a 4:28 last mile on the track before Prague where he ran 2:06.xx . Pretty sure CJ albertson ran something similar to this as well at some point.
Have literally any top 100 college kid keep training after college you would see the same or better results.
That's an absurd statement.
Panning is WAY better than the 100th guy in the NCAA and was way better in college. In 2019, he ran 13:37 for 5000. Do you know how many D1 college guys ran 13:37 in 2019? 16.
If they are suited for the marathon, the 100th NCAA guy probably could train to be like 2:12-2:14 back in the day (maybe 2:10-12 now with super shoes). Panning is a 2:09-2:12 type (2:07-2:10 with super shoes) guy now.
Let’s work on reading comprehension.com
Just kidding, but icybalm2 did say that Zach Panning was an outlier talent wise compared to the typical Hansons Brooks runner. So in context any team of top 100 would perform like typical Hansons team (of which Panning is previously noted to be an exception)
Galen rupp 24 mile long run with a 4:28 last mile on the track before Prague where he ran 2:06.xx . Pretty sure CJ albertson ran something similar to this as well at some point.
Who cares what we call this workout? Predictor, simulator, or just another workout. A marathon training block consists of many different workouts from different angles. Maybe one day you're doing a classic Canova fartlek, the next week you're doing 22mi at 25 secs/mi slower than MP, and two weeks later, you're doing 16mi at MP.
Do any of these workouts predict anything? Maybe. Maybe not. At the end of the day, these are just workouts to get you ready for a marathon. I promise you that no credible coach cares what you call a workout.
Galen rupp 24 mile long run with a 4:28 last mile on the track before Prague where he ran 2:06.xx . Pretty sure CJ albertson ran something similar to this as well at some point.
When would this have been?
Galen dropped out of Boston at the 19 mile mark three weeks before he ran Prague.
Who cares what we call this workout? Predictor, simulator, or just another workout. A marathon training block consists of many different workouts from different angles. Maybe one day you're doing a classic Canova fartlek, the next week you're doing 22mi at 25 secs/mi slower than MP, and two weeks later, you're doing 16mi at MP.
Do any of these workouts predict anything? Maybe. Maybe not. At the end of the day, these are just workouts to get you ready for a marathon. I promise you that no credible coach cares what you call a workout.
Yes. AND, do they PREDICT anything? No
Might they indicate that the runner's training is going well at an important time before a big race?
I wouldn't go that far. I dont think that hes obnoxious. He lacks perspective and hes just tilting at windmills. No foul here.
I think he's just trolling. No reasonable person posts that many times parroting the same thing. He has no interest in the topic at hand, he just wants to post "gotcha!" and win the thread.
I wouldn't go that far. I dont think that hes obnoxious. He lacks perspective and hes just tilting at windmills. No foul here.
I think he's just trolling. No reasonable person posts that many times parroting the same thing. He has no interest in the topic at hand, he just wants to post "gotcha!" and win the thread.
I’m autistic and sometimes posts too much but I am not wrong and am not trolling
I think he's just trolling. No reasonable person posts that many times parroting the same thing. He has no interest in the topic at hand, he just wants to post "gotcha!" and win the thread.
I’m autistic and sometimes posts too much but I am not wrong and am not trolling
I’m kind of trolling because Malmo is being ridiculous by acting like he could have “easily” run a 16 mile training run that is on par if not better than his best verified race time for any distance 10k or more.
Could Malmo have done it? Possibly in a race, but unless he sandbagged his entire career, it would be a maximum effort.
I assume he ran that simulator workout in Florida? Maybe not in 2:05 shape but it's hard to run a ton faster than marathon pace for that workout in a hard week of training. Maybe you can be 5ish seconds/mile quick. Seems like sub-2:08 would be reasonable for him at a Chicago or Berlin on a good weather day. That's a good place to be as an American lining up for this race.
Lots of good information shared in that interview. He came to running later & grew up playing football/hockey. Definitely has a chip on his shoulder as a D2 runner. The Budapest result went completely under the radar. Merber points out that a 2:05 guy was right in front of him & a 2:03 guy right behind. He ran a great tactical race & picked people off the whole race. 12th in 2:11 at Worlds in trash conditions shows that he's ready for more. & now he's had another block of training. He might not get a ton of hype pre-Trials but it won't be a shock if he makes the team.