Do some research, we never went to the moon... the space shuttles only achieved low earth orbit, the highest they ever got was 386 miles above earth. The moon is 238,000 miles 1 way. Let that sink in.
The Space Space shuttles were called Orbiter for a reason. That's what they were designed to do. Take things up and retrieve things in low Earth orbit. How does that support your argument?
By illustrating how hard it is to make something that massive go higher. The Apollo vehicles were massive.
I'm starting to get why the conspiracy theorists believe the original moon stuff was faked. My iphone has more than 100,000 times the processing power of the computers used for the Apollo mission and yet it came out yesterday that the latest attempt to simply land a box on the moon has failed.
When I was trying to think of a possible good explanation, I initially thought, "Well back in the day the best and the brightest worked for NASA, now they are all in Silicon Valley acting like ahol** and trying to get rich designing some app that's ultimately of little use. Maybe only the guys and gals who can't get private industry jobs go to NASA."
But then I saw this most recent failure was from some private company that we paid $108 million bucks to. Can the taxpayers at least get their money back?
Science experts of letsrun, let me hear your theories as to why we suck at space much more than 55 years ago.
You know what the irony might possibly be? The moon landing story that I guess some people still believe might actually be the conspiracy theory in itself - not that other way around. Awesome plot twist.
I actually believe NASA made a horrible mistake with the current Project Artemis they are running which centered around putting a permanent base on the moon and having the first woman and person of color step on the moon (you know, instead of just 12 white American males). Because before this, the best excuse as to why nobody else has been there - including the Americans since 1972 - is that it was expensive, had been done and there was no incentive to go back which I guess was a decent misdirect.
But now NASA created the incentive and most certainly are investing - 53 billion from 2021-2025 specifically. Yes this amount of money is not at the same level of the approx 180-200 billion they spent back in the 60's (inflation adjusted) but of course it shouldn't need to be right? Massive technological advancements and the fact that many, many things that were done back then that won't need to be done now because of the learnings already there from 6 successful missions, should surely mitigate costs which I am sure isn't the most important factor anyway.
Artemis/NASA has committed to a first crewed flight in September of 2025 and it would seem completely impossible that if it was done in the 60's beginning with zero knowledge of how to do it, it couldn't be done 55 years later with well, all the knowledge of how to do it. In fact I can't even possibly imagine what the excuse would be.
Its still really interesting to me why people are so invested in believing this happened all those decades ago. The reality is this - the only evidence we have this happened is the word of the entity that has the most to gain from us believing they did it, and some grainy black and white footage that again, they provided us. There is no diversity at all in the evidence. By that I mean think about say, Edmund Hillary climbing Everest in 1953. Imagine he claimed to have done this back then yet still to this day, despite other people trying (and yes the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians and the "Europeans" either tried or have been trying), he was the only person still have done it - this would seem hard to believe. It would be his and Tenzing Norgays word and really that's it. However that's not the case. The second successful expedition was only 3 years later and since then over 6000 different people have done it. I think we can be sure it's been done - it's hard to imagine all these people across generations and cultures, ethnicities, walks of life conspired to make that up. Less hard to imagine one singular government organization.
But hey, I'll hold out to 2025 and this crewed mission. Absolutely impossible to get away with saying you did it when you didn't in the year 2025. As for your question as to why we suck so much these days as compared to 55 years ago? I dunno - no real plausible answer to that I guess.
NASA is a scam. It's just sad that people still believe in the moon landing bullsh!t.
There are huge differences between our current population and our population from 55 years ago. Our attitudes toward science, education, ethics, work and critical thinking were so much higher 55 years ago.
Just as one example, could you imagine 55 years ago us electing as president a man so ignorant as to think magnets would be destroyed by water.
Yet today that kind of ignorance in our leaders is just accepted.
That is why they could land men on the moon and we can't.
This is a gag post right?
The attitudes to science, education, work.... etc etc etc might be different but what is the relevance to the employees now at NASA? Are you contending that because society as a whole now has different attitudes than in the 50's (btw this is a completely arbitrary position from you that has no factual basis) that this has basically translated to competence in all professional fields in society? (in the case of NASA, professions such as aerospace engineering, computer programming, astrophysics etc) And your qualification of that statement is because we are forced to choose between Donald Trump and Joe Biden to be the president? Yeah okay.
Okay so let's assume that the team at NASA isn't as competent as this tough, resilient, harder working era of the 50's and 60's. You don't believe that modern technology and fact that there is previously attained knowledge and basically the blueprint of how to do this means anything? Your statement implies that somehow all knowledge of all prior and "successful" 6 lunar missions has been completely lost with no trace and todays buffoons are starting from zero. Wait - you aren't possibly contending this are you?
You guys try and sound smart and eloquent with these emotional takes but have more holes in your arguments than a pool table.
Well because there was no moon landing. That has been a well known fact for a while now. SInce America lost the space race to Russia, they were desperate to get a win. Now look at when China started their moon missions, they are well beyond the US in the technological field and it took them until 2013 to do so. After 50years those moon landing documents were supposed to be declassified and made to be open to the public but that didn't happen. There's not too many smart people on here. A bunch of followers and not many leaders. You fools think America was actually first in something meaningful. Silly rabbits.
Orbital mechanics is a solved science. Once you have the math and the inputs, you know exactly where your spacecraft is going to be at any point in time. Interesting that that part is the most suspicious to you.
Why am I not surprised Rojo believes in conspiracy theories
What, that the US transported people 240'000 miles to the surface of the moon and they walked on it? That is as much a theory about a conspiracy as any other take you might have on it.
Let's keep this simple - NASA want to do it again and they are putting a lot of money behind it. They have created the incentive themselves - nobody forced them to do this. If by the end of decade there still hasn't been a human back to the moon can we finally put this story to bed? Seriously - another 6 years of trying 60 years on from when it was allegedly done by the government agency of only one nation, I think that will be ample freaking time to do something that has again, allegedly been done multiple times before.
Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and every single space agency will fail to land on the moon. The best that we will ever do is low earth orbit. Nothing penetrates the dome/firmament.
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You know what the irony might possibly be? The moon landing story that I guess some people still believe might actually be the conspiracy theory in itself - not that other way around. Awesome plot twist.
I actually believe NASA made a horrible mistake with the current Project Artemis they are running which centered around putting a permanent base on the moon and having the first woman and person of color step on the moon (you know, instead of just 12 white American males). Because before this, the best excuse as to why nobody else has been there - including the Americans since 1972 - is that it was expensive, had been done and there was no incentive to go back which I guess was a decent misdirect.
But now NASA created the incentive and most certainly are investing - 53 billion from 2021-2025 specifically. Yes this amount of money is not at the same level of the approx 180-200 billion they spent back in the 60's (inflation adjusted) but of course it shouldn't need to be right? Massive technological advancements and the fact that many, many things that were done back then that won't need to be done now because of the learnings already there from 6 successful missions, should surely mitigate costs which I am sure isn't the most important factor anyway.
Artemis/NASA has committed to a first crewed flight in September of 2025 and it would seem completely impossible that if it was done in the 60's beginning with zero knowledge of how to do it, it couldn't be done 55 years later with well, all the knowledge of how to do it. In fact I can't even possibly imagine what the excuse would be.
Its still really interesting to me why people are so invested in believing this happened all those decades ago. The reality is this - the only evidence we have this happened is the word of the entity that has the most to gain from us believing they did it, and some grainy black and white footage that again, they provided us. There is no diversity at all in the evidence. By that I mean think about say, Edmund Hillary climbing Everest in 1953. Imagine he claimed to have done this back then yet still to this day, despite other people trying (and yes the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians and the "Europeans" either tried or have been trying), he was the only person still have done it - this would seem hard to believe. It would be his and Tenzing Norgays word and really that's it. However that's not the case. The second successful expedition was only 3 years later and since then over 6000 different people have done it. I think we can be sure it's been done - it's hard to imagine all these people across generations and cultures, ethnicities, walks of life conspired to make that up. Less hard to imagine one singular government organization.
But hey, I'll hold out to 2025 and this crewed mission. Absolutely impossible to get away with saying you did it when you didn't in the year 2025. As for your question as to why we suck so much these days as compared to 55 years ago? I dunno - no real plausible answer to that I guess.
NASA is a scam. It's just sad that people still believe in the moon landing bullsh!t.
Would love to know your education level and if you ever studied basic science. My guess is you don’t even know what the electromagnetic spectrum is..
Why am I not surprised Rojo believes in conspiracy theories
What, that the US transported people 240'000 miles to the surface of the moon and they walked on it? That is as much a theory about a conspiracy as any other take you might have on it.
Let's keep this simple - NASA want to do it again and they are putting a lot of money behind it. They have created the incentive themselves - nobody forced them to do this. If by the end of decade there still hasn't been a human back to the moon can we finally put this story to bed? Seriously - another 6 years of trying 60 years on from when it was allegedly done by the government agency of only one nation, I think that will be ample freaking time to do something that has again, allegedly been done multiple times before.
The “only one nation has done it” argument is silly. You admit yourself it cost like $250 billion in today’s dollars to fund the Apollo program. There’s what, three nations that could ever have spent that much?
The telemetry is lost... the photos appear to have been faked. So many fishy things about the moon landings. This fits with the rest of them. Wag the dog.
There are huge differences between our current population and our population from 55 years ago. Our attitudes toward science, education, ethics, work and critical thinking were so much higher 55 years ago.
Just as one example, could you imagine 55 years ago us electing as president a man so ignorant as to think magnets would be destroyed by water.
Yet today that kind of ignorance in our leaders is just accepted.
That is why they could land men on the moon and we can't.
Further reason and proof of why it seems so difficult to accomplish today what we accomplished 55 years ago can be seen in the posts here. So many posters here rather than having a respect and trust in science, prefer to believe crazy conspiracy theories that the landing was faked.
The type of crazy thinking that used to be common in only an extreme and small minority, has become way too common. Today's America is too willing to accept irrational beliefs and to elect irrational leaders.
A large portion of our population will readily believe nonsense such as conspiracy theories and it hurts our advancement.
I'm starting to get why the conspiracy theorists believe the original moon stuff was faked. My iphone has more than 100,000 times the processing power of the computers used for the Apollo mission and yet it came out yesterday that the latest attempt to simply land a box on the moon has failed.
When I was trying to think of a possible good explanation, I initially thought, "Well back in the day the best and the brightest worked for NASA, now they are all in Silicon Valley acting like ahol** and trying to get rich designing some app that's ultimately of little use. Maybe only the guys and gals who can't get private industry jobs go to NASA."
But then I saw this most recent failure was from some private company that we paid $108 million bucks to. Can the taxpayers at least get their money back?
Science experts of letsrun, let me hear your theories as to why we suck at space much more than 55 years ago.
Yes. Love the downvotes. The cognitive dissonance hurts their scientism brains.
Still, what's all this 'we' nonsense? Surely both you and I suck no more 'at space' than we ever have. And I reckon most of the readers here are in the same boat. So by 'we' you mean 'some other people who take your money without asking and then say they used it to travel in space (among other things)'. Doesn't seem much like a 'we'. In fact, it sounds like a 'they' and I would recommend associating with the 'they' in this case because 'they' are also a mass-murdering corrupt organization with a history of lying.
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