What’s really interesting is watching the “Coach Prime” documentary series on Amazon and seeing how Deion Sanders treats his athletes. He would be crucified if he coached cross country. Heck, even if he coached pro runners.
I know nothing about this school or lawsuit, but I was watching this show the other night and it was hard not to see the very stark contrast in what football coaches are allowed to do (praised, even), versus Track and XC coaches.
A wild juxtaposition. The answer to great coaching is probably somewhere in the middle.
He is also dealing with college students.
I guarantee he doesn’t forbid from dating either. Of course I don’t buy the Krannicks forbid it either. They might suggest things like “don’t worry about that boys” or something like “high school boys are idiots, wait for them to catch up maturity wise”.
Somehow thousands of coaches are able to navigate these “mine fields” every day with remarkable ease.
And somehow there are also thousands of xc and track coaches who suck and just collect a paycheck
Large gulf between the accusations in this lawsuit and being a completely unengaged coach just collecting a paycheck. I don’t buy the sob story that it’s impossible to be a good coach without being fired for abuse these days for the smallest perceived grievances - reality doesn’t back that up with material numbers.
Who wants the job of coaching athletes /parents anymore.
Coaching and constructive criticism are now labeled to the extreme as bullying and abuse.
facts like eating healthy and training seriously are now microanalyzed to make sure not one word offended someone.
cancel culture is simply a way to shift personal responsibility on to someone else. a way to avoid personal consequences for personal choices. always the “yes but” deflection.
good luck to anyone wanting to do this job any longer. thankless. This is one of the most successful programs in US high school history. It wants “happy jogging club with ribbons and cupcakes because you finished the 5k.” of course they did things at a high level.
in every other sport you cut the kids that aren’t good enough to be significant contributors. but cross country and track lowers their value by taking everyone. Which opens yourself up to this kind of thing when someone wants to be told that their mere attempt at participation makes them awesome. anything less is not lawsuit worthy and negative national press that can never be reversed.
when the lawsuit is dismissed or dropped or won by the defendants, let’s see if there is an equally long thread of apologies and praise.
good luck to all.
It’s only hard if you’re an idiot whose idea of healthy eating advice is “you’re fat, stop eating”. Ironically the control freak coaches usually have mediocre teams since they destroy any potential talent before it develops.
Kind of an off topic tangent but I do not understand why the author felt the need to include the lacrosse coach calling an athlete stupid in the midst of all the serious accusations. As if “stupid” is equivalent to calling a teenage girl a “whore” or causing an athlete to break her ribs from pneumonia.
Large gulf between the accusations in this lawsuit and being a completely unengaged coach just collecting a paycheck. I don’t buy the sob story that it’s impossible to be a good coach without being fired for abuse these days for the smallest perceived grievances - reality doesn’t back that up with material numbers.
Why does everyone keep referring to all of this and saying that there’s a lawsuit? The original article says nothing about a lawsuit. It states that there’s an “investigation.”
Also, it already been mentioned, but this is on the parents:
”I was made aware that I had an infection in my rib cage and had cracked multiple ribs from coughing and being seriously sick for 6 months”
Note to parents: Take your kid to the focking doctor if they’ve been sick for 6 months. Don’t blame it on the coach.
I was always amazed at their success. Everytime I saw their track and XC team I thought they were a college team. They were all beautiful, and very mature. I swore they were a small local college. That's how much different they seemed to a typical girls HS program. Very surprised to hear this.
Why does everyone keep referring to all of this and saying that there’s a lawsuit? The original article says nothing about a lawsuit. It states that there’s an “investigation.”
Definitely should be changed in the thread title but "lawsuit" generates more clicks that "allegations" or "accusations." It's been almost two days since this was posted and it hasn't been changed. Saratoga is not a "protected program" here I guess.
Large gulf between the accusations in this lawsuit and being a completely unengaged coach just collecting a paycheck. I don’t buy the sob story that it’s impossible to be a good coach without being fired for abuse these days for the smallest perceived grievances - reality doesn’t back that up with material numbers.
Why does everyone keep referring to all of this and saying that there’s a lawsuit? The original article says nothing about a lawsuit. It states that there’s an “investigation.”
Also, it already been mentioned, but this is on the parents:
”I was made aware that I had an infection in my rib cage and had cracked multiple ribs from coughing and being seriously sick for 6 months”
Note to parents: Take your kid to the focking doctor if they’ve been sick for 6 months. Don’t blame it on the coach.
The article is very poorly written.
Fine, replace “lawsuit” with “law firm-directed investigation”.
Why does everyone keep referring to all of this and saying that there’s a lawsuit? The original article says nothing about a lawsuit. It states that there’s an “investigation.”
Also, it already been mentioned, but this is on the parents:
”I was made aware that I had an infection in my rib cage and had cracked multiple ribs from coughing and being seriously sick for 6 months”
Note to parents: Take your kid to the focking doctor if they’ve been sick for 6 months. Don’t blame it on the coach.
The article is very poorly written.
Fine, replace “lawsuit” with “law firm-directed investigation”.
Why would they run doubles at 5 a.m. in the pitch black hours when school typically starts around 8:30 and they could far more easily get adequate rest and recovery and run in the light at 6:30 or 7?
At Saratoga, 1st period high school starts at 8:30am and middle school 1st period starts at 7:50am. I'm not sure if that is later now than it was in the past, including when some of these allegations stem from. When I was in high school, not at Saratoga but a school within 20 miles of there, homeroom (yeah, we had homeroom back then) started at 7:52am.
Then just back up the timing to see when it makes sense to have morning workouts like a lot of teams do (hockey, swimming, XC, for example). You would assume the team members would need to get some breakfast after the workout and before class. Probably shower too. That's a 30 minute window? Workout needs to be done by 7:30am to accommodate the middle school team members. Probably around a 60 minute window for the workout, warmup/stretch. That's a 6:30am start time. But the team members also need to get to the school for the workout. Wake up, commute, etc, sounds like a 5:30-5:45 alarm time. 5:00am might be a little bit of an exaggeration for a workout time but likely the team members got their day rolling not long after that. And if the start of 1st period was earlier 5-10-15 years ago 5:00am alarm starts looking more likely.
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