BILLIONS of people are walking at 4 MPH - 15 min/lap - EASILY
is not really even a "power walking" pace for most... if you go try to run/jog at that slowness, your body will tell you to just drop in to a walk - and you will realize you can WALK faster than 4 MPH fairly easily
15 min/mile can be walking but regular old walking is usually slower. That's uncomfortably fast a walk for me. The highest speed listed in this table is 18:45/mile.
The average walking speed of an adult is 3 to 4 miles per hour, but that all depends on age, fitness level, terrain, and other factors. Starting a walking routine can be beneficial for your health, and a brisk pace is best fo...
I think the real problem with this thread is the generalization. It seems very obvious to me that in both ultra racing and marathon racing and even 10k racing there are both those who run and those who walk.
Now, who gets to call themselves a runner is a better question. Clearly the lines are not defined by race. The are certainly ultra, marathon, and 10k 'runners' out there. There are also ultra, marathon, and 10k 'walkers', 'joggers', and 'mixed-breeds' out there.
Obviously the solution is to treat this like race. If you are half Mexican half Canadian you say you are Mexican-Canadian. So if you Walk/Jog a race you are a Walk-Jogger.
Now, also important is the percentage. If you are 75% Irish but have that one German Grandma, you better tell all the world that you are 75% Irish, 25% German, lest you play them for fools regarding your true heritage.
So yeah, I consider myself to be a marathon '89% Runner, 9% Jogger, 1% Sprinter, .5% Aid Station Grabber, .5% Crapper'. But I most associate myself with my crapper identity so that's me now. I crapped my last marathon. Big marathon crapper over here.
I am thinking that OP has a personal experience with an individual who has run parts of an ultra at a pace unworthy of the 'runner' race (likely a mixed breed of sorts). Because clearly the problem is not specific to ultra marathons. It also sems a bit 'runner' supremacist to be making specific claims of which paces are included in the 'runner' race. My guess is OP can't run ultra marathons himself, as the fact this thread exists points to the fact that OP is a little bit insecure about his own place in the 'runner' race.
100% wrong.
I just call em like I see em. Go work an aid station at any 100 miler. Watch the majority of the participants walking/hiking for a day. Then watch those same people call themselves runners.
I know what running is. That ain’t it.
By the way, nobody’s disputed my claim that the majority of participants mainly walk in ultra events. Why? Because it’s true.
2023 Connecticut Ultra Traverse #CUT112 Race Results (112 Miles ) 2023 2022 2021 2019 2018 50 MILES 100 KM 112 MILES Source of results OverallFemaleMale All Age Groups <20 20-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69 70+ ALL-TIME TOP RESULTS OVERALL PLACEDIVISION PLACE1 1 Jacques Saarbach M 30-39 25:40:09 2 2 Lee Davis M 40-49 29:10:21 3 1 Jessica Crandall F 40-49 29:46:32
There is definitely walking in ultras. At the very least even the fastest guys walk or stop at aid stations. Most ultras are mountainous and it is not possible for most people (including pros) to run up mountains without going anaerobic. Going anaerobic in a race that is 50-100 miles long and 8-20 hours long is a recipe for failure. So yeah ultrarunners walk and it is probably about 50% of the time for middle of the pack people. Doesnt mean they would be faster if they ran. Also doesnt mean they cant run when they choose to walk. It is just about survival.
Where's the limit? I have no dog in this fight but am I allowed by letsrun's word labels police to pretend i've ran if i walked 20% of the distance? 30%? How much?
Fun fact: the lead pack of UTMB goes through Les Houches (8km and 101m d+ in) approx 26 minutes after the start. Would you call that walking?
Where's the limit? I have no dog in this fight but am I allowed by letsrun's word labels police to pretend i've ran if i walked 20% of the distance? 30%? How much?
Fun fact: the lead pack of UTMB goes through Les Houches (8km and 101m d+ in) approx 26 minutes after the start. Would you call that walking?
Again, I’m not talking about the lead pack. I’m talking about the bulk of every ultra race that walks most, if not all, of the miles in the race.
Stop applying what the lead pack does to the whole field.
The Chicago marathon is this weekend. Most of the people are going to jog. Nobody’s going to dispute that. Nobody’s going to credit the lead pack’s pace to the entire field of runners.
I think the real problem with this thread is the generalization. It seems very obvious to me that in both ultra racing and marathon racing and even 10k racing there are both those who run and those who walk.
Now, who gets to call themselves a runner is a better question. Clearly the lines are not defined by race. The are certainly ultra, marathon, and 10k 'runners' out there. There are also ultra, marathon, and 10k 'walkers', 'joggers', and 'mixed-breeds' out there.
Obviously the solution is to treat this like race. If you are half Mexican half Canadian you say you are Mexican-Canadian. So if you Walk/Jog a race you are a Walk-Jogger.
Now, also important is the percentage. If you are 75% Irish but have that one German Grandma, you better tell all the world that you are 75% Irish, 25% German, lest you play them for fools regarding your true heritage.
So yeah, I consider myself to be a marathon '89% Runner, 9% Jogger, 1% Sprinter, .5% Aid Station Grabber, .5% Crapper'. But I most associate myself with my crapper identity so that's me now. I crapped my last marathon. Big marathon crapper over here.
I am thinking that OP has a personal experience with an individual who has run parts of an ultra at a pace unworthy of the 'runner' race (likely a mixed breed of sorts). Because clearly the problem is not specific to ultra marathons. It also sems a bit 'runner' supremacist to be making specific claims of which paces are included in the 'runner' race. My guess is OP can't run ultra marathons himself, as the fact this thread exists points to the fact that OP is a little bit insecure about his own place in the 'runner' race.
100% wrong.
I just call em like I see em. Go work an aid station at any 100 miler. Watch the majority of the participants walking/hiking for a day. Then watch those same people call themselves runners.
I know what running is. That ain’t it.
By the way, nobody’s disputed my claim that the majority of participants mainly walk in ultra events. Why? Because it’s true.
You'd expect them to be walking into and out of aid stations. That's the rest area.
Look at an actual ~100 miles in 24+ hours. Found a random dude on Strava. When it's reasonably flat, he's doing 9 minutes miles even at the very end. He ran the parts reasonable to run in such a hilly course (almost 30k ft. climbing and more than that descending). It's fair to call that an ultrarun. Imagine how many hours longer it would have taken to walk the whole thing instead.
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Again, I’m not talking about the lead pack. I’m talking about the bulk of every ultra race that walks most, if not all, of the miles in the race.
Stop applying what the lead pack does to the whole field.
The Chicago marathon is this weekend. Most of the people are going to jog. Nobody’s going to dispute that. Nobody’s going to credit the lead pack’s pace to the entire field of runners.
Ok, what percentage of the race does one have to run to call it an ultra run? Or ultra jog as you seem to think running slower than a certain pace can only be labeled jogging not running. Also, thanks for your input I highly value your opinion on this subject.
Again, I’m not talking about the lead pack. I’m talking about the bulk of every ultra race that walks most, if not all, of the miles in the race.
Stop applying what the lead pack does to the whole field.
The Chicago marathon is this weekend. Most of the people are going to jog. Nobody’s going to dispute that. Nobody’s going to credit the lead pack’s pace to the entire field of runners.
Ok, what percentage of the race does one have to run to call it an ultra run? Or ultra jog as you seem to think running slower than a certain pace can only be labeled jogging not running. Also, thanks for your input I highly value your opinion on this subject.
That’s just it. It’s not about running vs jogging. Most participants aren’t running slower than a certain pace. They are walking. Actually walking, for almost all of the miles of the race.
I love the story from the Barclays Marathons about the world class dude found a town over by police while hallucinating and talking to trashcans...don't ever dis your unknowns, the new female marathon WR holder was a world class sprinter/mid in her tweens. To OP your just a ... wasting everyones time.
I love the story from the Barclays Marathons about the world class dude found a town over by police while hallucinating and talking to trashcans...don't ever dis your unknowns, the new female marathon WR holder was a world class sprinter/mid in her tweens. To OP your just a ... wasting everyones time.
The Barclays Marathon is stupid. Some kook convincing other kooks to walk around Appalachia until they lose their faculties. If by chance they manage to get back to start 3 times they win. It's 100% nonsense and 100% not a running race.
Ok, what percentage of the race does one have to run to call it an ultra run? Or ultra jog as you seem to think running slower than a certain pace can only be labeled jogging not running. Also, thanks for your input I highly value your opinion on this subject.
That’s just it. It’s not about running vs jogging. Most participants aren’t running slower than a certain pace. They are walking. Actually walking, for almost all of the miles of the race.
Have you ever seen an ultra event in person?
I sure have and most people are running at least half of the race. Average speed is killed mid pack by 30 minute mile walking and sitting at aid stations. Not 15min miles. Most races you can’t make the cutoffs without running the first half. So what percentage? 50%?
That’s just it. It’s not about running vs jogging. Most participants aren’t running slower than a certain pace. They are walking. Actually walking, for almost all of the miles of the race.
Have you ever seen an ultra event in person?
I sure have and most people are running at least half of the race. Average speed is killed mid pack by 30 minute mile walking and sitting at aid stations. Not 15min miles. Most races you can’t make the cutoffs without running the first half. So what percentage? 50%?
50% is generous and you know it. For the vast majority it’s a walking/hiking contest.
I sure have and most people are running at least half of the race. Average speed is killed mid pack by 30 minute mile walking and sitting at aid stations. Not 15min miles. Most races you can’t make the cutoffs without running the first half. So what percentage? 50%?
50% is generous and you know it. For the vast majority it’s a walking/hiking contest.
Ok so your cut off is 50% of the race must be run? If someone runs 49 miles of a 100 mile race, they must not say they ran. They may only let people know they walked.
That’s just it. It’s not about running vs jogging. Most participants aren’t running slower than a certain pace. They are walking. Actually walking, for almost all of the miles of the race.
Have you ever seen an ultra event in person?
I sure have and most people are running at least half of the race. Average speed is killed mid pack by 30 minute mile walking and sitting at aid stations. Not 15min miles. Most races you can’t make the cutoffs without running the first half. So what percentage? 50%?
Here’s a question for you. If I run 50 miles then walk 50 miles. Did I run 100 miles?
