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Rent free, rent free 😈
We don’t want every Addy Wiley thread turning into a discussion of the Huntington University scandal or pure PED speculation.
Try to keep the threads on topic. This thread is for discussion about Wiley's potential and whether she can be the next Athing Mu. If you want to talk about Huntington/PEDs, do so in this Huntington/PEDs thread. Some talk about how one may doubt the legitimacy of the performances is allowed as they are in all threads on letsrun, but we do not need every thread going down the Huntington/PED path.
We also plan on requiring registration on Wiley related threads to cut down on the volume of posts and to keep the same few people from posting voluminous amounts of pro or anti Wiley posts.
And if you do post, please do no post false information or impersonate someone else. A possible act of felonious identity deception occurred in one of the threads on Tuesday and we are happy to cooperate with the authorities if they ask. Posts like those are less likely to happen if we require registration.
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Rent free, rent free 😈
True. But Wiley has since run much faster.
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What? Why are running fans so soft? If an NBA player puts weight on, that's all the announcers talk about. If good weight, it is positive. If bad weight, everyone bkasts the player.
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I wouldn’t get to riled up. “Wiley rules” has the brain of a gnat and by reading through the thread, appears to have spent the entire day here, fightin’ the good fight.
Sounds exciting, wheeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Next year I expect that he will be degrading Sophia Gorriaran or anyone else that poses a threat to his precious little Addy.
But some of you continue to try to destroy the life of a 19 year old woman. Blast them rather than blasing me for talking honestly about running.
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Huh? Mu is a better 400 amd 800 runner than Wiley.
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I tend to go with rates of improvement that seem too good to be true signify doping. Such as as a runner going from the high 4:30s late in her junior year to suddenly one of the fastest 1600/mile times ever after never previously hinting at that ability. Of course when it is done at an obscure open race with her pro coach pacing her it looked even more shady. Or going from 4:11 to 4:03 to 3:59 as a college freshman, together with 2:04 to 1:57 in the 800m, suddenly being able to break college 1500 record and running the second fastest college 800m at 19. It was not just the rate of improvement but the outlier times she immediately progressed to. Even if I did not know all the details about her coaches I would call bs, but of course we do. You can cherrypick the data and credulously believe what you want. But I have bridges to sell you.
Wiley ran a 4:07.9 1500m in June, 2022. 14+ months later in college she ran a 3:59. As I said, it was over an 8 second improvement in 14+ months. Not much difference from what I posted as improvements for many other athletes. She ran a 2:04.4 in the 800m as a high school junior. More than 2 years later she runs a 1:57.64 which is a 6.76 second improvement in 2 years. By the way, the 2:04.4 800m she ran as a high school junior would put her at ~4:32-4:33 1600m (per World Athletics points system) as a high school junior. She ran a 4:26 as a high school senior for the 4th fastest 1500/1600/mile. I guess we have differing opinions on this one.
They don't want to hear it. The improvement thing is silly. Every runner who has run sub 4 had to get there somehow whether improvement was linear or not. Wiley's is actually fairly linear even though they are trying to twist it to match some hypothetical doping improvement. Nobody knows what that would be.
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... some hypothetical doping improvement...
Hypothetical?!?! FFS, it's much more than that. Us skeptics might have it all wrong, but there is every reason to be suspicious of AW and her association with the Johnsons.
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Please lay out the metrics that we should use to determine/accuse people of doping. What % each year from age 14-30 by year. Dint assume that parents won't dope their 14 or 15 year old.
The idea that you think she could run 3:59 and and 1:57 clean at 19 with no altitude training is just pure idiocy. That 4:26 was when the suspicions started. It came out of no where and was insanely suspect. Mu for example was an elite runner from early on. She was winning AIU events, nearly set the 600m WR as a high school junior, etc. Won an Olympic gold medal at 19. But all the sudden Wiley, who never showed the slightest elite ability, runs the second fastest college 800m time behind Mu and ahead of Willis, etc, and you actually think that is credible? Are you nuts? That sheer naivety is overwhelming. I have seen it happen with others, Houlihan most prominently. But here she is doing this in the midst of a DOPING SCANDAL involving coaches that trained/mentored her since 9th grade, and you are like "well, seems alright to me." Hopeless.
If you are going to keep repeating your cherrypicked nonsense and pseudo-analysis, can you at least show the slight familiarity with this case? The idea that you cite that 1600m set at some strange open race with Lauren Johnson pacing her as evidence of a natural progression is absurd. Seriously, the documents and investigation reports are available.
Btw, if a 204:40 is worth a 4:33 1600, why hasn't Ince for example run anywhere near that? She won the race. When does she run 1:56?
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The idea that you think she could run 3:59 and and 1:57 clean at 19 with no altitude training is just pure idiocy. That 4:26 was when the suspicions started. It came out of no where and was insanely suspect. Mu for example was an elite runner from early on. She was winning AIU events, nearly set the 600m WR as a high school junior, etc. Won an Olympic gold medal at 19. But all the sudden Wiley, who never showed the slightest elite ability, runs the second fastest college 800m time behind Mu and ahead of Willis, etc, and you actually think that is credible? Are you nuts? That sheer naivety is overwhelming. I have seen it happen with others, Houlihan most prominently. But here she is doing this in the midst of a DOPING SCANDAL involving coaches that trained/mentored her since 9th grade, and you are like "well, seems alright to me." Hopeless.
ALL this, plus the frantic and totally unhinged efforts to suppress discussion of this situation on here. Totally normal behavior for people with nothing to hide🙄
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If you are going to keep repeating your cherrypicked nonsense and pseudo-analysis, can you at least show the slight familiarity with this case? The idea that you cite that 1600m set at some strange open race with Lauren Johnson pacing her as evidence of a natural progression is absurd. Seriously, the documents and investigation reports are available.
Astro,
I do agree that the 4:26 race with a dedicated pro pacer was an advantage. She went from a 4:36.xx 1600m (4:38.xx mile) as a junior to a 4:26 1600m as a senior (4th fastest *U.S.* high school 1500/1600/mile and maybe in the top 75 U20 internationally). But the 4:36.xx as a junior was a sit and kick race for her., so we can’t say how much faster she could have gone in a rabbited race. The 4:26 1600m race was paced by a pro to go fast.
I don’t think a 10-second improvement in one year is unusual given that we’re comparing a sit and kick race to in 2021 to a race with a dedicated pro pacer in 2022.
Is there doping by Wiley or any of the other women I mentioned who made big improvements? I have no idea and my opinions is that well-meaning witch hunts based on suspicions is actually harmful to the sport in the long run.