I can absolutely guarantee the Japan Series winner would never beat the World Series winner in a 7-game series,
I can take a dump in a box and stamp "Guaranteed" on it and it would have the same value.
It makes me sad to see that people don't understand what a word means and toss it around anyway, or don't understand how long forever is (you're saying it could never, ever happen).
Of course it could happen, at some point, and you can't guarantee it couldn't. And calling something the "World Series" that doesn't include teams from around the world is as stupid now as it was before you replied.
Guarantee: "provide a formal assurance or promise, especially that certain conditions shall be fulfilled relating to a product, service, or transaction; primise with certainty."
Certainty: "a fact that is definitely true or an event that is definitely going to take place."
It is definitely true that in a 7-game series, designed as such to remove the role of luck and circumstance in determining a winner, that a minor league team - which Japan and Korea are - could not defeat the World Series winner. The only way to get your desired result would be to introduce something to interefere with the actual competition: removing players from the MLB team, introducing imbalanced rules, or otherwise impacting the actual game play.
It could not happen, no matter how many times you say it could. Which is why no team has ever challenged the World Series winner to a post-season contest. If any team could actually put up any kind of a fight, you can be sure MLB and TV networks would be drooling over the potential windfall. Same goes for the NBA or the NHL. This blaance that you've made up in your mind doesn't exist.
That's why it's called the World Series. The best players from 25 countries play in that league, and the team that wins it every year has earned the right to be called the best in the world. If someone wants to set up a Champions' League to give them a go, I'd love to see it.
I can take a dump in a box and stamp "Guaranteed" on it and it would have the same value.
It makes me sad to see that people don't understand what a word means and toss it around anyway, or don't understand how long forever is (you're saying it could never, ever happen).
Of course it could happen, at some point, and you can't guarantee it couldn't. And calling something the "World Series" that doesn't include teams from around the world is as stupid now as it was before you replied.
Guarantee: "provide a formal assurance or promise, especially that certain conditions shall be fulfilled relating to a product, service, or transaction; primise with certainty."
Certainty: "a fact that is definitely true or an event that is definitely going to take place."
It is definitely true that in a 7-game series, designed as such to remove the role of luck and circumstance in determining a winner, that a minor league team - which Japan and Korea are - could not defeat the World Series winner. The only way to get your desired result would be to introduce something to interefere with the actual competition: removing players from the MLB team, introducing imbalanced rules, or otherwise impacting the actual game play.
It could not happen, no matter how many times you say it could. Which is why no team has ever challenged the World Series winner to a post-season contest. If any team could actually put up any kind of a fight, you can be sure MLB and TV networks would be drooling over the potential windfall. Same goes for the NBA or the NHL. This blaance that you've made up in your mind doesn't exist.
That's why it's called the World Series. The best players from 25 countries play in that league, and the team that wins it every year has earned the right to be called the best in the world. If someone wants to set up a Champions' League to give them a go, I'd love to see it.
Don’t forget about the Little League World Series. Are they not world champions too?? Right after the World Series winner beats the pants off whatever team from Japan we need to be sure they play the little league champion so that the MLB team can be rightfully crowned “World Champion!”
Lolz, but according to SAS since the NBA has so many international players it's accurate to call the winner World Champions... genius logic right there. Do these ESPN shows get any viewers? Who watches this cr@p?
I think it’s clear to most that what Noah Lyles is saying is here valid, and while people are free to disagree if they like, I am a little surprised by the extent of the backlash he’s faced. It sort of reaffirms the notion that outside the United States, Americans are often perceived as people who believe the world starts in New York and ends in California. Lyles obviously knows there’s more than that, but whether it’s ignorance, arrogance, misplaced patriotism or even just classic denial, it appears many of his fellow countrymen - Stephen A. Smith included - don’t want to hear it.
It isn't valid.
Lyles wasn't talking to the world. He was taking shots at his own country for elevating team sports over his accomplishments. He thinks winning the 100/200 should be a bigger deal than winning an NBA championship. It never will be.
The rest of his complaint is gobbledygook - they both have to beat the best in the world to win. He just wants his to mean more.
Exactly.
The debate over the term 'world champion' is pedantic and silly. Lyles is the best sprinter in the world and the Nuggets are the best basketball team in the world, regardless of how you want to label their accomplishments. Which one is more impressive? It's hard to say, I think most of us would agree that Lyles is a better athlete than the guy at the end of the Denver bench, but is he really better at track than Nikola Jokic is at basketball? Who knows, they're both the very best at what they do.
At the end of the day, many track athletes and fans are extremely insecure about our sport's lack of popularity, which is where this all stems from. Lyles is understandably frustrated that he isn't as famous as Bolt, but taking shots at more popular sports is unlikely to help him much in the long run, even if it gets him a nice news cycle this week.
Lyles wasn't talking to the world. He was taking shots at his own country for elevating team sports over his accomplishments. He thinks winning the 100/200 should be a bigger deal than winning an NBA championship. It never will be.
The rest of his complaint is gobbledygook - they both have to beat the best in the world to win. He just wants his to mean more.
Exactly.
The debate over the term 'world champion' is pedantic and silly. Lyles is the best sprinter in the world and the Nuggets are the best basketball team in the world, regardless of how you want to label their accomplishments. Which one is more impressive? It's hard to say, I think most of us would agree that Lyles is a better athlete than the guy at the end of the Denver bench, but is he really better at track than Nikola Jokic is at basketball? Who knows, they're both the very best at what they do.
At the end of the day, many track athletes and fans are extremely insecure about our sport's lack of popularity, which is where this all stems from. Lyles is understandably frustrated that he isn't as famous as Bolt, but taking shots at more popular sports is unlikely to help him much in the long run, even if it gets him a nice news cycle this week.
Hmm - are the Nuggets the best basketball team in the world?
This is their starting lineup right?
Jokic, Mike Porter Jnr, Aaron Gordon, KCP and Jamal Murray
Does this team beat a full strength United States team? (Which could be in theory this lineup)
Davis, Durant, Taytum, Booker, Curry
(not even sure that's the absolute best team the US could field but it seemed like a relatively cohesive, sensible lineup).
I 1000% agree with your last paragraph there and it's perfectly worded. At the same time Noah isn't wrong, but all your points thereafter are totally on point.
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I think it’s clear to most that what Noah Lyles is saying is here valid, and while people are free to disagree if they like, I am a little surprised by the extent of the backlash he’s faced. It sort of reaffirms the notion that outside the United States, Americans are often perceived as people who believe the world starts in New York and ends in California. Lyles obviously knows there’s more than that, but whether it’s ignorance, arrogance, misplaced patriotism or even just classic denial, it appears many of his fellow countrymen - Stephen A. Smith included - don’t want to hear it.
It isn't valid.
Lyles wasn't talking to the world. He was taking shots at his own country for elevating team sports over his accomplishments. He thinks winning the 100/200 should be a bigger deal than winning an NBA championship. It never will be.
The rest of his complaint is gobbledygook - they both have to beat the best in the world to win. He just wants his to mean more.
I don’t think that he was downplaying the significance of winning the NBA championship, World Series, or Super Bowl or saying that his World Titles are better. He was just saying what pretty much every country outside of the U.S. had been saying for decades that the use of World Champions doesn’t make sense for those National Sport Leagues. Other countries do a collective eye roll when they hear us classify the championships was World Champions.
Thought experiment. If the top half of NBA’s players moved to a new league (again hypothetically), could the NBA still use the World Champions claim for the Finals champs? Would the other new league get to use the World Champions claim?
I think it’s clear to most that what Noah Lyles is saying is here valid, and while people are free to disagree if they like, I am a little surprised by the extent of the backlash he’s faced. It sort of reaffirms the notion that outside the United States, Americans are often perceived as people who believe the world starts in New York and ends in California. Lyles obviously knows there’s more than that, but whether it’s ignorance, arrogance, misplaced patriotism or even just classic denial, it appears many of his fellow countrymen - Stephen A. Smith included - don’t want to hear it.
It isn't valid.
Lyles wasn't talking to the world. He was taking shots at his own country for elevating team sports over his accomplishments. He thinks winning the 100/200 should be a bigger deal than winning an NBA championship. It never will be.
The rest of his complaint is gobbledygook - they both have to beat the best in the world to win. He just wants his to mean more.
It’s not a case of elevating team sports over his or anyone else’s individual accomplishments. The discussion was around the term “world champion” being used for a national or domestic champion. Whether the NBA* has the best players in the world or not is irrelevant. It’s still just an American League with American teams. In the same way the winners of the English Premier League aren’t declared world champions of soccer. Or winners of the French Top 14 (rugby) aren't declared world champions of rugby. Again, I get that the term “world champion” is somewhat of an Americanism in this case and that’s fine within the USA bubble, just don’t get all uptight and offended when it’s pointed out.
*Although he mentioned the NBA, the same applies to the NFL, MLB, etc.
PS: I’m not American but a huge fan American sport.
Noah is right. The winners of the NBA championship aren't the world champions. They simply aren't. The might be the winners of the best basketball competition in the world - but they aren't the world champions.
And these privileged, overpaid, over-idolized idiot basketballers - the majority of whom have not lived a minute in the real world and have been slurped and mollycoddled since it was apparent they could become someones cash cow, getting all overly defensive and territorial about this is absolutely comical. Kendrick "it's okay to be racist because I'm black" Perkins? Kevin "Angry because I can't get someone to really love me so I bang pornstars" Durant? Austin "My dad legitimately doesn't like me" Rivers? Yeah okay guys - defend your precious "turf".
Now that being said, this is such an overused, cliched perspective it just really isn't worth getting involved in. "The NBA champs aren't world champs, ugh how American" - yeah haven't heard that one before. And it really doesn't look good when you go to your social media and find pictures of you posing in designer fashion and walking into the stadium which look eerily like the exact pictures NBA stars have all over their social media. Because now it appears like you want to be like these guys but are just envious that you aren't (in terms of fame and the bank balance).
In summary - I don't know what prompted him to (obviously) prepare this "media gem" and go after it, but even though it's generated publicity I don't think that means it's good or will help him. As for Stephen A Smith? Ignorant? What's the ignorance - not understanding these immature idiots would get their panties in a twist? The world doesn't revolve around the NBA Stephen.
Let's look at the NBAs privedged over priced part for a moment:
...82 regular season games @ ~2 hours+ per game, plus preseason games for every team and 16-28 post season games for the teams that make the finals, all in front of 20,000-,30,000 people for each game with several million TV's tuned in. NBA MVP Nicola Jokic, Denver Nugget from Serbia (not the US) averages 30 minutes per game and 100 games not including the preseason= 60 hours of playing time and his salary divided by games is ~360,000.00 per game which equals 200 dollars per second.
Noah Lyles earns approximately 300,000.00 per year and has run 25 races this year (mostly in front of half empty stands except for Budapest and Euro DLs), each at 6-7 seconds x6, 9-10 seconds x12, 19-20 seconds x7, and a 46 (4x400) for 5 minutes and 48 seconds total, which equals 862.00 per second.
It appears that Noah Lyles significantly out earns Nicola Jokic and doesn't work nearly as much.
Lolz, but according to SAS since the NBA has so many international players it's accurate to call the winner World Champions... genius logic right there. Do these ESPN shows get any viewers? Who watches this cr@p?
Lolz, but according to SAS since the NBA has so many international players it's accurate to call the winner World Champions... genius logic right there. Do these ESPN shows get any viewers? Who watches this cr@p?
Like Lyles, this seems to have you very triggered. Lol
The debate over the term 'world champion' is pedantic and silly. Lyles is the best sprinter in the world and the Nuggets are the best basketball team in the world, regardless of how you want to label their accomplishments. Which one is more impressive? It's hard to say, I think most of us would agree that Lyles is a better athlete than the guy at the end of the Denver bench, but is he really better at track than Nikola Jokic is at basketball? Who knows, they're both the very best at what they do.
At the end of the day, many track athletes and fans are extremely insecure about our sport's lack of popularity, which is where this all stems from. Lyles is understandably frustrated that he isn't as famous as Bolt, but taking shots at more popular sports is unlikely to help him much in the long run, even if it gets him a nice news cycle this week.
Hmm - are the Nuggets the best basketball team in the world?
This is their starting lineup right?
Jokic, Mike Porter Jnr, Aaron Gordon, KCP and Jamal Murray
Does this team beat a full strength United States team? (Which could be in theory this lineup)
Davis, Durant, Taytum, Booker, Curry
(not even sure that's the absolute best team the US could field but it seemed like a relatively cohesive, sensible lineup).
I 1000% agree with your last paragraph there and it's perfectly worded. At the same time Noah isn't wrong, but all your points thereafter are totally on point.
Does that mean the US men’s 4x1 are not world champions since the relay didn’t consist of the fastest 100m runners in the world?
You guys that are jumping through hoops to defend lyles are ridiculous.
In 1992 what was the best team on the planet, the NBA champion Chicago Bulls or the US Dream Team? I think almost everyone would say the Dream Team was better, especially if they played together for a season.
So it was not accurate for the Bulls to proclaim they were the world champions.
In 1992 what was the best team on the planet, the NBA champion Chicago Bulls or the US Dream Team? I think almost everyone would say the Dream Team was better, especially if they played together for a season.
So it was not accurate for the Bulls to proclaim they were the world champions.
Hmmm, dream team without Jordan or Pippen? I’d take the Bulls against the quickly assembled dream team. Yes, if the Dream team played all season in the NBA, they’d be awesome, but still not a lock to beat the Bulls.
Does that mean the US men’s 4x1 are not world champions since the relay didn’t consist of the fastest 100m runners in the world?
You guys that are jumping through hoops to defend lyles are ridiculous.
Have you actually read my posts on this?
More than one thing can be true on this my friend.
- Lyles is right that the NBA champions aren't the world champions
- Lyles is a tool for bringing up this already well and truly overplayed angle on the topic and he only does it clearly driven by envy and looks even more stupid because he basically tries to emulate NBA players with his "fashion show stadium entrances".
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In 1992 what was the best team on the planet, the NBA champion Chicago Bulls or the US Dream Team? I think almost everyone would say the Dream Team was better, especially if they played together for a season.
So it was not accurate for the Bulls to proclaim they were the world champions.
Hmmm, dream team without Jordan or Pippen? I’d take the Bulls against the quickly assembled dream team. Yes, if the Dream team played all season in the NBA, they’d be awesome, but still not a lock to beat the Bulls.
Who said without Pippen and Jordan? If you take them off the DT you need to take them off the Bulls.
Hmmm, dream team without Jordan or Pippen? I’d take the Bulls against the quickly assembled dream team. Yes, if the Dream team played all season in the NBA, they’d be awesome, but still not a lock to beat the Bulls.
Who said without Pippen and Jordan? If you take them off the DT you need to take them off the Bulls.
No, I’m asking if the 92 Bulls with Jordan and Pippen would beat the rest of the dream team. That’s the only interesting question.
The only team that actually travels the world playing teams from everywhere is the Harlem Globetrotters. And they nearly always win.
You can DQ them by claiming the games are rigged, but there is no other contender for "world champion."
? How about the FIBA World Cup (formerly known as the world championship) that is being contested right now.
there is simply no way a closed league of franchise teams can declare themselves anything other than league champions. And certainly not world champions.
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