Breaking: Issam Asinga SUSPENDED after positive doping test

THOUGHTSLEADER · 2023-08-11T11:03:59-04:00

So much for Asinga's monster U20 record. The substance was GW 1516: https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/education/what-should-athletes-know-gw1516/

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2 years ago 08/11/2023 3:50pm EDT

re: Xfit_Brother_the_re@l_one_1

Xfit_Brother_the_re@l_one_1 wrote:
This is ridiculous.
They need to drop the suspension. This kid didn't do anything wrong. Here's why the ban will not stand:
1. this drug doesn't make you faster. It just helps you lose fat. The pressure in high school these days is nuts. Everyone wants to look RIPPED/SHREDDED. He got a little help, so what?
2. It was out of competition testing. So he didn't take this to get an unfair advantage over his competitors. Why are they bothering him outside of competition?
3. Dude is only 18. Why are they wasting these resources on a high school kid. They could have used the $ to build something useful in Souriname.

Congratulations, you win dumbest post of the day!

2 years ago 08/11/2023 4:01pm EDT

re: the deranged fans

the deranged fans wrote:
juice is rampant in schoil wrote:
I'm not necessarily proud of this, but to be completely honest, this is the first thing to pop into my mind, too. You know why high schoolers don't fail drug tests? Because they don't take drug tests. On one thread long ago, I posted to this effect: "If Brosnan wants me to be impressed, I need to see 2 things. 1, field a girl's team. Even better, one with similar results to the boy's team. 2, let's see one of them pass a drug test. All of them passing one would be even better."
Not trying to single Brosnan and NP out. Just pointing out that PEDs are used without consequence in high school. This is so well-known in the case of football that documentaries exist about it. We just don't read it on the LRC front page because they aren't failing tests. It's easy not to if haven't ever taken one. By the way, has any NP alumnus passed a test yet? Some graduated years ago. I guarantee HS XC isn't a doped as football, basketball, and baseball, but if you're going to convince me these guys getting famous for it are clean, I'm going to have to see some test results.
Exactly. I have no reason to suspect there's a massive doping conspiracy in HS XC, but these performances are very good and I've always been suspicious about massive outliers.
Newbury Park is also in an upper-middle class area - are you seriously telling me that at least one doesn't know (or, even better, is related to) a doctor who can prescribe certain things for recovery and/or training?
There's also the financial aspect: you can get money at colleges and/or get into colleges you'dnot be able to otherwise. Would you be shocked if a good talent who runs (or would run) in the low-mid 15s on a normal 5k xc course turns to pharmaceutical means to get him into the 14 minute range and offers from whatever college he wants?
And again, the best runners almost always come from suburban areas - i.e. people would know multiple doctors, and I’m sure there’s at least one doctor who wouldn’t care about ethics in sport. People got fake ADD diagnoses for extra time on standardized tests - what about a fake diagnosis to get PEDs?

This^^

Steroid and GH use is rampant in football and sprints in US high school elites. I have no doubt that a considerable amount of state champs in sprints and jumps are using PEDs. What could be a $500-$2000 investment for one year could yield a free four year education, makes perfect logical sense. I would wager some distance runners are using as well but likely far less common and I doubt it would be on a team-wide basis, more so the scenario described, one athlete or their parent obtaining PEDs.

2 years ago 08/11/2023 4:06pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

2 years ago 08/11/2023 4:14pm EDT

re: snowflakes

As usual ask the questions; who is the coach? Management team? Follow the money.

2 years ago 08/11/2023 4:16pm EDT

re: snowflakes

"The amount detected was 0.2 nanograms per ml... a single grain of salt is 58,500 nanograms"

That made me roll my eyes, pulling the "look how small of a quantity was found" defense for casual fans who have no frame of reference is one of the oldest tricks in the book. He's not beating this case.

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2 years ago 08/11/2023 4:21pm EDT

re: Hal1983

Hal1983 wrote:
"The amount detected was 0.2 nanograms per ml... a single grain of salt is 58,500 nanograms"
That made me roll my eyes, pulling the "look how small of a quantity was found" defense for casual fans who have no frame of reference is one of the oldest tricks in the book. He's not beating this case.

Yeah and it’s per ml when his sample was presumably many mls. So I don’t quite get it, did we think people have 20% ped in their pee? Anyhow, wait for the B but it seems like he’ll blame a supplement if it backs up the A sample.

2 years ago 08/11/2023 4:22pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

if this holds up, will he still be an Aggie? I assume no?

2 years ago 08/11/2023 4:25pm EDT

re: furyan_nightmare

the testing is different for so not sure if the test results carry over, however a failed test in the ncaa is only one year sitting out losing that year of eligibility

2 years ago 08/11/2023 4:25pm EDT

re: furyan_nightmare

furyan_nightmare wrote:
if this holds up, will he still be an Aggie? I assume no?

Assume no

2 years ago 08/11/2023 4:49pm EDT

re: rojo

The mental gymnastics that his coach and his family will utilize to try to get out of this will be something. Sadly, they will throw South America under the bus. It will make burritogate look legit.
Does TAMU stand by him or pull their scholarship?

2 years ago 08/11/2023 5:19pm EDT

re: astro

astro wrote:
Every elite performance in sprinting and distance running is based on PEDs the same way every single major tour winner in cycling is doping. That is just reality. Natural talent cannot compete with chemistry. That is why everything in this sport that seems anamolous, odd or too good to be true never is. And there is no age limit.

^ Lots of assertions there, but you've given no evidence to support them. Do better.

2 years ago 08/11/2023 5:23pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
same as ever wrote:
Right, but bombshell? A doping top sprinter training in America, and two more doping Kenyans? Looks like tradition to me.
I think Asinga being a literal high-schooler until a couple months ago caught doping in the US is pretty unique. That part is the bombshell because he's not even pro yet.

There has been doping the high school level for decades, in track/XC and many of the other sports. I remember hearing about high school and even junior high kids taking steroids back in the 70s.

2 years ago 08/11/2023 5:25pm EDT

re: Temp__Account

Temp__Account wrote:
By the end of 2024, Morocco will have only 10 remaining cases in the AIU coevett.
Now send my greeting to the dopers Coe/Cram who set records in the 80s that Britannic were not able to come close for 35 years.

Again, assertions, yet no argumentation. Do better. I mean it's not like either became a national coach somewhere like Aouita did and had athletes testifying against them.

2 years ago 08/11/2023 6:48pm EDT

re: XCRunner78

XCRunner78 wrote:
According to Citius Mag, the AIU has suspended Issam for the presence/use of a prohibited substance ( GW1516 ). GW1516 is a banned substance that modifies how a body metabolizes fat. Link to post below
Instagram:www.instagram.com/p/Cvz0ROfrahX/?igshi...

Well, that's a first: The words "Athletics Integrity" used in connection with an athlete from Montverde Academy!!

2 years ago 08/11/2023 7:00pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

This is why I ignore those who say "but they were already fast in high school" to defend super sus athletes especially in the US where there's a lot to be gained from being fast in high school in order to impress college recruiters.

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2 years ago 08/11/2023 7:07pm EDT

re: Dopers are dopes

I was at the top of the high school ranks in the late 70's and did not ever hear or suspect or anyone doping in high school. Of course, much different once we hit college, and my conference champion team disintegrated due to illegal PED's.

2 years ago 08/11/2023 7:08pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

I know its unlikely, but in light of the Peter Bol situation, I can't help but wonder if there is a potential flaw with the test for GW1516. Nijel Amos has maintained his innocence, and has even announced plans to sell his Olympic medal to fight his ban. As for Asinga, none of this makes any sense. He is not relying on running for a living, there is really no rush for him to reach an elite level as he was planning on running in college. A 10.2 runner can go D1 in college, no high schooler needs to go and run, not only sub 10, but sub 9.9 to impress colleges. I honestly don't get it.

Also, Asinga said that his B sample will be tested before worlds; is it possible this test comes back negative? If so, what does that even mean? Would he be able to run at worlds in that scenario?

2 years ago 08/11/2023 7:19pm EDT

re: GWTest?

GWTest? wrote:
I know its unlikely, but in light of the Peter Bol situation, I can't help but wonder if there is a potential flaw with the test for GW1516. Nijel Amos has maintained his innocence, and has even announced plans to sell his Olympic medal to fight his ban. As for Asinga, none of this makes any sense. He is not relying on running for a living, there is really no rush for him to reach an elite level as he was planning on running in college. A 10.2 runner can go D1 in college, no high schooler needs to go and run, not only sub 10, but sub 9.9 to impress colleges. I honestly don't get it.
Also, Asinga said that his B sample will be tested before worlds; is it possible this test comes back negative? If so, what does that even mean? Would he be able to run at worlds in that scenario?

I dunno if I agree.

First of all, Amos. Guy showed up running 1:41 out of nowhere, a trend that continued for a long, long time. Remember that 1:41 in 2019? Plus, in the year before he was caught, he stopped tightening up in the homestretch, which was basically his trademark. If anyone is guilty, its him.

Now for Asinga. What you said is true - there is no rush for him to run the times he did. But people always want more. I feel like it is a common mindset too, especially in a sport like athletics. a 9.8 guarantees:

- a US HS record

- the first high schooler under 10 wind legal

- becoming the youngest runner to break 10 and 9.9

- additional NIL valuation

- pro offers

- more college offers if that was something he wanted

- the prospect of competing for other countries

- the prospect of competing at bigger meets

- the prospect of competing at WORLDS

- and of course, fame and glory

And those are just those I thought off right now. I'm sure there is more. There are so many reasons for him to dope.

2 years ago 08/11/2023 7:23pm EDT

re: john track and field

john track and field wrote:
GWTest? wrote:
I know its unlikely, but in light of the Peter Bol situation, I can't help but wonder if there is a potential flaw with the test for GW1516. Nijel Amos has maintained his innocence, and has even announced plans to sell his Olympic medal to fight his ban. As for Asinga, none of this makes any sense. He is not relying on running for a living, there is really no rush for him to reach an elite level as he was planning on running in college. A 10.2 runner can go D1 in college, no high schooler needs to go and run, not only sub 10, but sub 9.9 to impress colleges. I honestly don't get it.
Also, Asinga said that his B sample will be tested before worlds; is it possible this test comes back negative? If so, what does that even mean? Would he be able to run at worlds in that scenario?
I dunno if I agree.
First of all, Amos. Guy showed up running 1:41 out of nowhere, a trend that continued for a long, long time. Remember that 1:41 in 2019? Plus, in the year before he was caught, he stopped tightening up in the homestretch, which was basically his trademark. If anyone is guilty, its him.
Now for Asinga. What you said is true - there is no rush for him to run the times he did. But people always want more. I feel like it is a common mindset too, especially in a sport like athletics. a 9.8 guarantees:
- a US HS record
- the first high schooler under 10 wind legal
- becoming the youngest runner to break 10 and 9.9
- additional NIL valuation
- pro offers
- more college offers if that was something he wanted
- the prospect of competing for other countries
- the prospect of competing at bigger meets
- the prospect of competing at WORLDS
- and of course, fame and glory
And those are just those I thought off right now. I'm sure there is more. There are so many reasons for him to dope.

I guess that makes sense. Quite unfortunate honestly.

2 years ago 08/11/2023 7:29pm EDT

re: CBP Officer Friendly

CBP Officer Friendly wrote:
oregontrackfan1 wrote:
Well he's an American citizen born in Atlanta so no reason to nitpick.
Not relevant. Him repping Suriname means USADA isn't the primary testing agency here, which is why he was caught by the AIU.

USADA is also responsible for testing athletes competing for other nations that are present in the USA.

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