I would say that’s where the coach comes in. Ours would send us home if we were running too fast in workouts.
Send you home for running too fast? If they pick that rather than just telling you to slow down then they are a bad coach.
Of course that was step one. But if someone was consistently running faster than the workout called for (and dragging the rest of their group with them) then they were done. It didn’t happen often.
Japanese high school and college athletes produce insane results at young ages BUT THEY DO NOTHING ON THE WORLD STAGE. Their intense training at young ages ruins their long term development.
I don’t know that that’s accurate or fair. Japan currently has 10 women and four men ranked in the top 100 for the marathon, while the US has six women and zero men.
Our best athletes run the 5k and 10k. different priorities, japanese culture worships the marathon. Japan's track national records:
I followed RunCCG because of this thread. A workout they posted today worried me. 3x10 min with 2 min rest. The athlete's averages were 5:11 for the 1st 10 min, 5:09 for the second 10 min, and 5:04 for the final 10 min.
I followed RunCCG because of this thread. A workout they posted today worried me. 3x10 min with 2 min rest. The athlete's averages were 5:11 for the 1st 10 min, 5:09 for the second 10 min, and 5:04 for the final 10 min.
This athlete has ok times, 4:21, 9:12
I accidentally pressed post before I finished. That workout is way too much and way too fast for that athlete. Close to 6 miles total averaging 5:08.
If they are prescribing those workouts in August 8th, what workout will they do in late September? 6 miles at 4:58? 10x1k at 2:53?
I'm starting to think there is a lot of truth to RunCCG overtraining their athletes.
This might be a controversial take, but 5 miles is too long for high school athletes. They don't need to run longer than 20 min for a tempo run.
Some high school private coaches are posting on social media that their athletes are doing 5 mile tempo runs (or longer) averaging around 5:30. That's 27.5 minutes. They have girls doing 30x30 seconds.
Those coaches also have the worst reputations as their athletes do not run well in college. RunCCG athletes have a terrible track record in college. College coaches know to watch out for them.
High school coaches - think long term. Don't burn out your athletes.
5 miles isn't really that much. For a lot of kids it's a 30 minute tempo.
This might be a controversial take, but 5 miles is too long for high school athletes. They don't need to run longer than 20 min for a tempo run.
Some high school private coaches are posting on social media that their athletes are doing 5 mile tempo runs (or longer) averaging around 5:30. That's 27.5 minutes. They have girls doing 30x30 seconds.
Those coaches also have the worst reputations as their athletes do not run well in college. RunCCG athletes have a terrible track record in college. College coaches know to watch out for them.
High school coaches - think long term. Don't burn out your athletes.
I find it immature to make blanket statements about what high schoolers can and cannot handle. With shoe technology and other recovery tools drastically improving, athletes are able to recover much better than they used to. To say 5 miles is too much without knowing any of the athletes you're talking about just means you have no idea what you're talking about.
I did it. This was more than 40 years ago, and not many particular workouts stick in my mind. As in, still remember that exact day. Anyway, one that does was a 5-mile tempo. It was pouring rain. I remember huge puddles on the bike trail and there were some other guys out there that day whom I didn't recognize.
Well, that's why I posted. Saw the title and said to myself, " Hey, I did 5- mile tempos in high school. I can still remember that one in the rain...."
Made me think of a 10 miler my coach and I ran in early Spring my senior year. It was raining and the 2 of us were clipping off mile after mile, not talking much, but also not red-lining and never checking pace or time. Just cruising comfortably hard. When we finished, he showed me his watch and it was 60 minutes and change. He immediately said "You're in 9:10 shape." Good memory.
No one-size rule fits all. IMO - tempos are a critical part of training. As others have already mentioned, the distance/duration is entirely dependent on the individual athlete.
How does that kid improve if he is told “your this caliber” so you need to run these times? This is ridiculous….keyboard warrior coaching. Maybe kids should just jog a few miles a day and if they don’t do well give them a participation trophy and a full ride to NAU.
This might be a controversial take, but 5 miles is too long for high school athletes. They don't need to run longer than 20 min for a tempo run.
Some high school private coaches are posting on social media that their athletes are doing 5 mile tempo runs (or longer) averaging around 5:30. That's 27.5 minutes. They have girls doing 30x30 seconds.
Those coaches also have the worst reputations as their athletes do not run well in college. RunCCG athletes have a terrible track record in college. College coaches know to watch out for them.
High school coaches - think long term. Don't burn out your athletes.
I find it immature to make blanket statements about what high schoolers can and cannot handle. With shoe technology and other recovery tools drastically improving, athletes are able to recover much better than they used to. To say 5 miles is too much without knowing any of the athletes you're talking about just means you have no idea what you're talking about.
Since you are the smartest person on LRC, what athlete would you recommend doing 6 mile tempo runs averaging 5:08?
Would that athlete have a 9:40 best in the 3200 or a 8:40 best? Would that athlete be running 40 miles per week or 80?
I followed RunCCG because of this thread. A workout they posted today worried me. 3x10 min with 2 min rest. The athlete's averages were 5:11 for the 1st 10 min, 5:09 for the second 10 min, and 5:04 for the final 10 min.
This athlete has ok times, 4:21, 9:12
I accidentally pressed post before I finished. That workout is way too much and way too fast for that athlete. Close to 6 miles total averaging 5:08.
If they are prescribing those workouts in August 8th, what workout will they do in late September? 6 miles at 4:58? 10x1k at 2:53?
I'm starting to think there is a lot of truth to RunCCG overtraining their athletes.
I guess you didn't read the caption on their post. Said something to the effect that the kid is ready for cross country season. From the clip of the kid's workout, he looked like he was pretty much cruising.
If he reached out to RunCCG he probably doesn't have a very good coach even though he's run 4:21 and 9:12. So after a good summer of putting in miles he's probably closer to 4:15 and 9:00.
I've said it before, if you want to be good at competitive distance running you're going to have to run an incredible amount of miles and some of those miles will have to be incredibly fast.
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