I dont think it was covid.
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We won\'t know everything ... wrote:
The Stakes are too high wrote:
He’s a top NBA prospect, and if drafted will be paid millions. No one will draft someone who isn’t medically cleared, so it would be hard to cover up a diagnosis.
NBA teams could sue the doctors and hospital, and so could his family.I texted back and forth with a m.d. friend today. He stated in texts something similar to what the self-identified m.d.'s on this site stated, H C M. We discussed medically clearing LeBron James Jr. My friend said, "No." A medical doctor who clears LeBron James Jr. would be a fool (my words). LeBron James Jr., it's time to join the real world. Playing professionally as a basketball player is over. It will be covered up PUBLICLY but LeBron James Jr. is done as a pro athlete.
You make a great post. Doctors should not be able to clear Bronny James to exercise if they follow medical protocol, which is law. I know a couple star athletes (two post covid and one pre covid) who were ordered by doctors not to participate in sports due to cardiac relevant concerns that required further inquiry. But perhaps if he admitted privately to doctors to steroid use he could resume activities given that he promised to cease the PED use going forward. So if he's cleared immediately, he conceivably admitted to roid use.
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rojo wrote:
This thread was deleted by a volunteer mod. It should not have been. This is a MAJOR story of the day and obviously should be discussed on letsrun.
The reality is I think a lot of people are going to come up with 4 potential options to explain this.
1) PED related.
2) Illicit drug related.
2) Vaccine related.
3) Random / fluke. Teens don't normally have heart attacks but they sometimes do.
By the amount of and type of comments about an 18yr old kid who hasn't said or done anything to anyone and was rushed to the ER and placed in ICU for cardiac issues is deeply disturbing. It speaks volumes to how ignorant and racist many of the people are here on this site. It is totally uncalled for.
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
Newname wrote:
Data is not evidence?
By the second year of the pandemic, the dramatic increases in heart attacks blew apart the models used to predict how many people would lose their lives to these events. Fatal heart attacks among adults ages 25-44 soared 29.9% over what was predicted. Deaths from heart attack climbed by 19.6% for adults ages 45-64 and by 13.7% for ages 65 and older.
How's this data?
A list of athletes who died after COVID-19 vaccination. Notice Cameron Burrell on there. He died after vaccination. And also after a bullet went through his head. It also lists Olivia Podmore, who also killed herself.
235 million Americans were fully vaccinated and over 12 billion Covid-19 vaccine shots were given worldwide. Zero correlation with the heart.
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Did he get the clot shot?
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Newname wrote:
jty wrote:
I agree with everything you said except that it's more likely someone can get myocarditis from the virus than the vaccine.
"We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection." But the vaccine does in rare cases cause myocarditis.After it became clear the jab can cause myocarditis, the powers that be then began putting out "studies" showing that Covid did as well.
It's called muddying the waters
SMH....12 billion jabs were administered worldwide. How many of these definitively caused myocarditis? 1...2...10?
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RFK Jr. is right, vaccines need to be tested just like every other drug.
Jab related injuries and unintended consequences of messing with genetics will haunt future generations.
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The Stakes are too high wrote:
He’s a top NBA prospect, and if drafted will be paid millions. No one will draft someone who isn’t medically cleared, so it would be hard to cover up a diagnosis.
NBA teams could sue the doctors and hospital, and so could his family.The thing is... he's NOT a top prospect. But the pressure on him to be a top prospect is enormous. He's got his dad constantly talking about wanting to play with him... but he doesn't have the size or the game to be an NBA player. Speculation of course... but HGH is incredibly dangerous for a teenager.
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458777 wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
How's this data?
A list of athletes who died after COVID-19 vaccination. Notice Cameron Burrell on there. He died after vaccination. And also after a bullet went through his head. It also lists Olivia Podmore, who also killed herself.
235 million Americans were fully vaccinated and over 12 billion Covid-19 vaccine shots were given worldwide. Zero correlation with the heart.
And this post is our problem. too much ego to admit defeat, and the obvious. that kid was vaccinated, u can bet on it, bron hinsrlf said the vaccine was best for “him and his family”. Preached it. Thsts a safe bet.
1 out of 1000 vaccinated individuals have heart issues. it’s not zero and or close to zero. you are a zero.
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458777 wrote:
rojo wrote:
This thread was deleted by a volunteer mod. It should not have been. This is a MAJOR story of the day and obviously should be discussed on letsrun.
The reality is I think a lot of people are going to come up with 4 potential options to explain this.
1) PED related.
2) Illicit drug related.
2) Vaccine related.
3) Random / fluke. Teens don't normally have heart attacks but they sometimes do.
By the amount of and type of comments about an 18yr old kid who hasn't said or done anything to anyone and was rushed to the ER and placed in ICU for cardiac issues is deeply disturbing. It speaks volumes to how ignorant and racist many of the people are here on this site. It is totally uncalled for.
Okay but this is the territory when you are the son of the most famous athlete currently in American pro sport who you are wanting to emulate in becoming a professional basketball player.
He's in the news whether you like it or not, for good or for bad. And the reality is what happened to doesn't happen to every 18 year old kid. The point being it isn't unreasonable to want to know why this happened or hypothesize why it happened.
Get off your f-ing high horse.
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How do you explain Len Bias and Hank Gathers suffering the same thing 30 years before the COVID vaccine was in existence? Taller people are susceptible to AFib:
The real take away here? Advancements in medical technology (specifically court side defibrillators) probably saved Bronny's life.
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At this point, there is definitely all kinds of evidence that the mRNA vaccines are gene modifying causing the body to produce spike proteins as an immune response AND that this can happen in the body in response to things other than Covid AND that some parts of the body can become inflamed in response to the spike protein, such as the lining of the heart. However, it is possible that it was something else, like Wolfe Parkinson White, which most young people would no know they have. However, given the explosion in cardiac events among athletes since the vaccines started, I think it likely vaccine related.
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We won\'t know everything ... wrote:
The Stakes are too high wrote:
He’s a top NBA prospect, and if drafted will be paid millions. No one will draft someone who isn’t medically cleared, so it would be hard to cover up a diagnosis.
NBA teams could sue the doctors and hospital, and so could his family.I texted back and forth with a m.d. friend today. He stated in texts something similar to what the self-identified m.d.'s on this site stated, H C M. We discussed medically clearing LeBron James Jr. My friend said, "No." A medical doctor who clears LeBron James Jr. would be a fool (my words). LeBron James Jr., it's time to join the real world. Playing professionally as a basketball player is over. It will be covered up PUBLICLY but LeBron James Jr. is done as a pro athlete.
WPW can be definitively treated with catheter ablation and would allow for this kid to be cleared to play with zero risk.
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rojo wrote:
This thread was deleted by a volunteer mod. It should not have been. This is a MAJOR story of the day and obviously should be discussed on letsrun.
The reality is I think a lot of people are going to come up with 5 potential options to explain this.
1) PED related.
2) Illicit drug related.
3) Covid related
4) Vaccine related.
5) Random / fluke. Teens don't normally have heart attacks but they sometimes do.
It's not random. There's a known risk of heart failure for tall people--there have been medical studies linking AFib to height.
NCAA basketball players are 4% of student athletes but account for 20% of cardiac arrest deaths (well pre-dating COVID).
Among others, Hank Gathers, Reggie Lewis and Zeke Upshaw all died of sudden cardiac arrest brought in by ventricular fibrillation.
It happened in 2004 to Kayla Burt at the University of Washington:
Studies done after that incident showed that the risk of certain heart defects in college athletes was 1 in 10,000.
A star basketball player died in Michigan in 2011 after hitting a game winning shots. The cause? Cardiac arrest associated with an enlarged heart (a known risk for taller individuals):
I'm for one sick of the recency bias. There were medical problems that were unsolved before COVID. Many of those problems are still unsolved. This is absolutely one of them. The people who are saying it must be the vaccine or it must be COVID are just showing their agendas while the rest of us are just living our lives.
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Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
We won\'t know everything ... wrote:
I texted back and forth with a m.d. friend today. He stated in texts something similar to what the self-identified m.d.'s on this site stated, H C M. We discussed medically clearing LeBron James Jr. My friend said, "No." A medical doctor who clears LeBron James Jr. would be a fool (my words). LeBron James Jr., it's time to join the real world. Playing professionally as a basketball player is over. It will be covered up PUBLICLY but LeBron James Jr. is done as a pro athlete.
You make a great post. Doctors should not be able to clear Bronny James to exercise if they follow medical protocol, which is law. I know a couple star athletes (two post covid and one pre covid) who were ordered by doctors not to participate in sports due to cardiac relevant concerns that required further inquiry. But perhaps if he admitted privately to doctors to steroid use he could resume activities given that he promised to cease the PED use going forward. So if he's cleared immediately, he conceivably admitted to roid use.
What protocol? If they find a cause, and it’s not permanent or recurrent, or is curable, he can be cleared. Just like his teammate.
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458777 wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
How's this data?
A list of athletes who died after COVID-19 vaccination. Notice Cameron Burrell on there. He died after vaccination. And also after a bullet went through his head. It also lists Olivia Podmore, who also killed herself.
235 million Americans were fully vaccinated and over 12 billion Covid-19 vaccine shots were given worldwide. Zero correlation with the heart.
Huh?
The jab has caused no heart issues?
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