We merged two threads on the same subject into 1. The original thread was entitled, "Mo Katie closes in 1:47.1 to run 3:36, winning euro team champs." We merged it with this thread which was started by LRC's Rojo.
The so called 'official splits' are wrong. Over the years many published splits have been wrong!
With this race, you only have to go to the link, watch the race and time the last 800m. It doesn't help that there is a residual error of about 0.6secs. So when Katir finishes the race, the torso crosses the line at 3:36.3, but the clocks carries on and stops at 3:36.9*
So you have to take that into consideration when calculating splits if using what they claim.
If you look at the video Katir's torso is over the finish line at 1:47.8, and he finishes (according to the running clock) in 3:36.3, giving him a last 800m of 1:48.5 NOT 1:47.1. If we notice a 0.6 time lag at the end of the race, then we have to calculate in a 700m split of 1:48.4 (1:47.8 + 0.6), which still gives a lst 800m of 1:48.5.
I then timed the last 800m with a stopwatch and got 1:48.6, so 1:48.5 is certainly the right figure and it was nowhere near 1:47.1. I got his 1100m split as 2:43.0 ( as per the onscreen clock - which would mean more like 2:43.6).
I calculate that Katir's splits would be - 1:48.4, 2:43.6, 3:36.9, which = 55.2, 53.3 = 1:48.5
The official splits also have Katir in 9th position at 700m, when the video clearly shows he's in 2nd place. The website have f***ed up with the splits. Best ignore them I'm afraid.
Umm, ever heard of Abdi Bile? He ran 1:46 flat in his 3:36.80 WC win in Rome in 1987?
I just hand-timed Katir. He closed in 1:48.58 by my watch. Really nothing to see here, don’t trust all the splits you see. The ones that actually appear on screen make sense with the figures.
EDIT: timed again and got 1:48.54. Sorry it’s a garden variety close.
Agree. I got 1:48.5 on stopwatch and from the reading on the onscreen clock.
I wouldn't say a 1:48.5 finish in a 3:36 is 'garden variety' though! Anything sub 1:50 in that sort of end time is pretty good. 1:48.5 is very good, it's just not 1:47.1, which would be incredible.
Agree. I got 1:48.5 on stopwatch and from the reading on the onscreen clock.
I wouldn't say a 1:48.5 finish in a 3:36 is 'garden variety' though! Anything sub 1:50 in that sort of end time is pretty good. 1:48.5 is very good, it's just not 1:47.1, which would be incredible.
I meant garden variety not in a demeaning fashion, but more like it’s “very good” but achievable like a 3:30-2 is. Cole Hocker ran 1:48hi at NCAAs, and while impressive it’s attainable for probably the top 20 in the world now.
I just timed it. Unless there was something screwy with the cameras (which is possible as sometimes the close up camera is on a delay i think), he didn't close in 1:47.1. Not anywhere close to that. I had him in 1:48.39 . 55.22-53.17.
As for podcast gues Niels Laros, I had him in 1:48.10 (54.9-53.2)
The so called 'official splits' are wrong. Over the years many published splits have been wrong!
With this race, you only have to go to the link, watch the race and time the last 800m. It doesn't help that there is a residual error of about 0.6secs. So when Katir finishes the race, the torso crosses the line at 3:36.3, but the clocks carries on and stops at 3:36.9*
So you have to take that into consideration when calculating splits if using what they claim.
If you look at the video Katir's torso is over the finish line at 1:47.8, and he finishes (according to the running clock) in 3:36.3, giving him a last 800m of 1:48.5 NOT 1:47.1. If we notice a 0.6 time lag at the end of the race, then we have to calculate in a 700m split of 1:48.4 (1:47.8 + 0.6), which still gives a lst 800m of 1:48.5.
I then timed the last 800m with a stopwatch and got 1:48.6, so 1:48.5 is certainly the right figure and it was nowhere near 1:47.1. I got his 1100m split as 2:43.0 ( as per the onscreen clock - which would mean more like 2:43.6).
I calculate that Katir's splits would be - 1:48.4, 2:43.6, 3:36.9, which = 55.2, 53.3 = 1:48.5
Yeah, I acknowledged the splits were wrong like 4 comments after that, my friend. I should have known immediately based on the on screen clock and also just how unbelievable that so many guys would have been closing in 1:47-1:48. Unfortunately there will forever be articles citing that 1:47.1 figure like it’s a fact.
On some other things that have come up on this thread:
- There are at least 4-5 guys who can run within 5-7 seconds of Jakob at 2 miles: Girma, Katir, Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Cheptegei…
- Bile didn’t need to be in 3:28 shape, like Rui Silva wasn’t in 3:28 shape in Athens. Bile was probably in 1:43.5/3:30 shape that day and a 5k-paced warmup followed by an 800 race suited the type of runner he was.
- Someone answered Morceli to the question of who could beat Bile in that particular race, and that’s exactly what I thought. If we’re assuming the runner hits 700m at the same time as Bile, Morceli is the only guy I’m sure could have beaten him (with several other maybes).
The thing is, Jakob isn't the only one who can close in 1:47 off a slow pace. If the first 700 is slow, half the field would likely be with Jakob at the bell.
The thing is, Jakob isn't the only one who can close in 1:47 off a slow pace. If the first 700 is slow, half the field would likely be with Jakob at the bell.
yes. and bad things can happen when 8 guys are running in a pack with 400 to go, and they all think they can win.
Of note, Abdi Bile was Jama Aden’s “assistant coach” at his setup in Sabadell. Even more concerning was seeing him pal around with Gary Lough and Bashir Abdi in Eugene last summer. Of course, after Rhonex went down, everything changed for me- I’m no longer surprised.
Jama Aden also coached Bile to his 87 world championship.
As well as Dibaba, he coached Abubaker Kaki of Sudan to two world indoor 800m titles, whereas back in the late 1980s and early 1990s he helped guide fellow Somali runner Abdi Bile to a world 1500m title in Rome with a performance that effectively brought to an end the period of British middle-distance dominance.
Bile really went up another level entirely in 87. In the summer before he was soundly beaten by Ovett who was in his thirties and had already moved up to the 5000m.
You're wrong about Jama Aden being Abdi's coach. Abdi was running for George Mason University in 1987 and was coached by John Cook. Jama was the grad assistant at GMU.
Bile really went up another level entirely in 87. In the summer before he was soundly beaten by Ovett who was in his thirties and had already moved up to the 5000m.
You're wrong about Jama Aden being Abdi's coach. Abdi was running for George Mason University in 1987 and was coached by John Cook. Jama was the grad assistant at GMU.
Fair enough. Seems reasonable to believe they had a close relationship there at the time though, and that Jama Aden was already up to his tricks.
You're wrong about Jama Aden being Abdi's coach. Abdi was running for George Mason University in 1987 and was coached by John Cook. Jama was the grad assistant at GMU.
Fair enough. Seems reasonable to believe they had a close relationship there at the time though, and that Jama Aden was already up to his tricks.
Only those that trained with Abdi and know him understand the talent he possessed. I was lucky to have that opportunity.
(he is with Cheruiyot and Jakob that have done this)
'B' team that beat a stacked elite field in a recent 5000m in Florence.
Ask your Nick Willis to do it.
As for Abdi he was lucky that Aouita withdraw from the 1500m in favor of the 5000m, that year none was beating on him, to speak with 3:28.
People are just jealous in this site.
His last 800 was so much slower than El G at Athens he would have finished near last.
Actual, to be fair - and more accurate - on the basis of their last 800m alone Katir might have been 6th at Athens. That time was also 3.36. But a long way behind El G at 3.34.
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