Big win in ohio against the transexual athlete movement

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

NERunner03533 wrote:

I understand that but what happens when the transgender athletes graduate? We're talking about one Connecticut race in one division, right? Does the state of Connecticut need a law when there are so few transgender athletes competing? I mean, how many events were contested in Connecticut at conference & state meets. 99.9% of the events didn't have any transgender athletes competing in them. Are you telling me the Connecticut & CA athletes had no chances all season to run fast & to secure college scholarships? Again, I don't have the answers but I think kids will have plenty of opportunities to keep improving after high school. It's just that we hear about every single competitive high school transgender athlete when there are only 4 in Utah & 6 (?) in Ohio & 2 (?) in CT. They get a disproportionate amount of coverage. People have really sharp opinions on a topic that really doesn't matter. I feel like we should be asking ourselves why & then should be asking why someone cares si much about fairness but doesn't care that two children were bullied by adults for looking transgender in their eyes at a middle school track meet. That's messed up. Governing bodies will figure out what to do. We don't need to have the answers & we don't need to beat up on a community that gets enough backlash as it is. That's really what this is about. Let's ignore how Democrats & Republicans both don't really care about helping working people because they've given us a punching bag to consume our time with.

In the twenty states that passed the total ban on trans athletes, no lawmaker could cite an example of an instate trans athlete who has won anything important. When they were asked, they all said "Connecticut, Connecticut and Connecticut."

Do you know why? Because their states already had policies to require trans athletes to go through HRT, and get their medical records approved by the state appointed panel.

CT has an open policy, and the two HS sprinters were allowed to compete without any HRT.

So they are essentially passing state laws to solve the problem in Connecticut, not in their own state. Except, the Ohio law does nothing to solve the problem in CT.

ohioguyhere wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

In the twenty states that passed the total ban on trans athletes, no lawmaker could cite an example of an instate trans athlete who has won anything important. When they were asked, they all said "Connecticut, Connecticut and Connecticut."

Do you know why? Because their states already had policies to require trans athletes to go through HRT, and get their medical records approved by the state appointed panel.

CT has an open policy, and the two HS sprinters were allowed to compete without any HRT.

So they are essentially passing state laws to solve the problem in Connecticut, not in their own state. Except, the Ohio law does nothing to solve the problem in CT.

What determines whether or not something was important? I doubt there is consensus on this. To some, making varsity is important. To others, national titles. I don't see it being a valid knock against those lawmakers who failed to cite examples to match your definition.

ohioguyhere wrote:

Not an Ohio guy wrote:

I am not advocating one way or the other on this.

I wanted to verify the claim that there are "numerous" transgender athletes in Ohio and all that I could come up with was the article below. The article states that there are six. Do you have another source that shows there are more than that? If so, please post the link.

Also, please post the link with information about the award that the athlete in central Ohio won.

Link:www.news5cleveland.com/news/politics/o...

I'm not interested in calling out, shaming, or otherwise denegrating the individual here who was born male but identifies as female. Trans individuals face plenty of hatred and vitriol in their day-to-day lives, and I won't call out a name for purposes of winning an argument or making a point.

I am, however, suggesting that one can support an individual's right to pursue their own gender identity as one pleases, while ALSO preserving the sanctity and fairness of women's sports - a battle fought of many years, and one that continues today in oir sport. I remember women fighting for a chance to pole vault or run a full marathon. And today, we still have a heptathalon instead of a decathalon for women. Remnants of decades-old thinking that "women can't do".

Women not only deserve equal access to sport, they also deserve the opportunity to NOT compete against men. Which is what this debate is about. Sports. Not self-determination.

And if one is so inclined, the trans athlete who won a female award and accompanying scholarship is found among the award winners here -

Link:www.dispatch.com/story/sports/high-sch...

So I guess if you feel as though you need a name to realize the very real impact trans athletes are having on women's sports, you'll find their name there. But I won't do that to them publicly.