With all these HSers running sub 840 and 400 are they burned out by the time they get to college?
Don't have stats in front of me but just thinking about the very good mid distance guys in the DMV area and very few of them improved greatly in college. They plateau after their soph years.
Why would they be likely to be more burned out than a 4:15/9:00 guy? They run similar workouts and the more talented run them at a faster pace but it’s no more stressful.
I agree with you on this. Top 50 in Cross in any era, but especially these days is significant. His Track times now, are good and okay 3 and 5. Those times just a few years ago, would be in the "really solid to good" category. 7:49 is still solid. And as someone else said, it's no certainty. that a great HS'er will improve a ton, all the time. I think Sahlman is and will be fine, 3:38.x this early is well ahead of last year..even if it only converts about .5-.7 faster. 13:42 for a 1:48..3:38 guy is kind of really good. Probably could break 13:40 in a month. And thats still good for a frosh. I think Martin will be the same way, he has run 3:40.xx in not as good conditions. One of the things people take for granted is the amount of set up opptys. there are today, so the jump off point to College is lower than ever before.. they(opptys) are everywhere. HS..and certainly college and open. While they existed before up the line, not nearly as much for elite HS'ers as now. And I never thought that while talented that Reinhardt Harrison would ever be a dominat next level guy, no matter how fast he ran, and he did run fast. "Hot house flower TT'er" type who raced none of the top guys..and there were a ton out there to find. Now , two seasons in a row..not one result? hmm
Yeah, how many fewer elite high schoolers don’t get a bump from smart training (they already have) and prime opportunities to run fast in pro/college races (they all get that). A lot of them don’t run a typical high school schedule so they don’t have the impediment of a lot of meets or grueling state meet triples or whatever. It’s just a different evaluation for top guys entering college. Sahlman is on the upswing and the mark to me like the 5k is good, but the eyes test is even better because he was closing like a freight train and the confidence seems to be building.
With all these HSers running sub 840 and 400 are they burned out by the time they get to college?
Don't have stats in front of me but just thinking about the very good mid distance guys in the DMV area and very few of them improved greatly in college. They plateau after their soph years.
I think the term "burned out" is way overused. Permanent physical burn-out is pretty near non-existent. Temporary overtraining occurs for sure, but that can be almost 100% of the time be cured by rest.
As far as mental burn-out is concerned, I'd contend that if a runner psychologically has what it takes to succeed long-term, there's little to no risk of mental burn-out from high level training and racing in high school.
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With all these HSers running sub 840 and 400 are they burned out by the time they get to college?
Don't have stats in front of me but just thinking about the very good mid distance guys in the DMV area and very few of them improved greatly in college. They plateau after their soph years.
I think the term "burned out" is way overused. Permanent physical burn-out is pretty near non-existent. Temporary overtraining occurs for sure, but that can be almost 100% of the time be cured by rest.
As far as mental burn-out is concerned, I'd contend that if a runner psychologically has what it takes to succeed long-term, there's little to no risk of mental burn-out from high level training and racing in high school.
I agree that "burn out" is overused and it is more of a mental thing than a physical.
As for Collin and his lack of improvement, I don't think people realize how hard they trained at Newbury. There is a reason they were the best there and that reason is because they trained much harder than everyone else and they are talented. Look at the host of other Sean Brosnan coached kids that are running in college, outside of Nico are any of them doing particularly well?
I think the term "burned out" is way overused. Permanent physical burn-out is pretty near non-existent. Temporary overtraining occurs for sure, but that can be almost 100% of the time be cured by rest.
As far as mental burn-out is concerned, I'd contend that if a runner psychologically has what it takes to succeed long-term, there's little to no risk of mental burn-out from high level training and racing in high school.
I agree that "burn out" is overused and it is more of a mental thing than a physical.
As for Collin and his lack of improvement, I don't think people realize how hard they trained at Newbury. There is a reason they were the best there and that reason is because they trained much harder than everyone else and they are talented. Look at the host of other Sean Brosnan coached kids that are running in college, outside of Nico are any of them doing particularly well?
You’ve insulted the hundreds of great runners that didn’t attend NP and it’s likely that some of them trained even harder than the brothers.
Yep, Colin certainly did have high level high school training, so he came into college already highly developed. But this 1500 performance gives me hope that he'll continue to improve moving forward. He had a lot in the tank over the final 400 which indicates he's probably fitter than he previously realized. It'll be interesting to see how he does in upcoming races.
My hope is that at NAU's focus on building endurance will lead to continued improvement over the next few years. A runner can continue to improve aerobically for many years, so as he gets stronger endurance-wise, he should become a better racer in all of his competitive distances. Supposedly, Newbury Park didn't do a lot of mileage, and Colin will have a lot to gain by the NAU training approach.
Again, Harrison had to run in five Florida meets just to qualify for districts, regionals, and states. That is eight meets right there. So, he did not have a lot of other times to go out and run against the best in the country. The one time I know of that he did, no one else very strong was in the race, which was their mistake. He still managed to run 1:48 in the Florida state finals, with the only competition a 1:50 guy and no pacer.
I think the term "burned out" is way overused. Permanent physical burn-out is pretty near non-existent. Temporary overtraining occurs for sure, but that can be almost 100% of the time be cured by rest.
As far as mental burn-out is concerned, I'd contend that if a runner psychologically has what it takes to succeed long-term, there's little to no risk of mental burn-out from high level training and racing in high school.
I agree that "burn out" is overused and it is more of a mental thing than a physical.
As for Collin and his lack of improvement, I don't think people realize how hard they trained at Newbury. There is a reason they were the best there and that reason is because they trained much harder than everyone else and they are talented. Look at the host of other Sean Brosnan coached kids that are running in college, outside of Nico are any of them doing particularly well?
Brosnan got those HS kids to a high level without running high milage and getting them prepaid to handle workouts. Colin's 3:38 this early is big step and show he has a lot more to come and in the tank
Colin Sahlman after running 3:53.17 to break NAU's school record in the mile. Charles Philibert-Thiboutot ran 3:53.41 to place second, and Craig Engels round...