'roids? Why would I take 'roids for distance running?
I guess my highest palmar is competing in a state meet qualifier for the Junior Olympics. It was a great journey and experience.
Thereafter, the closest thing to doping was too much beer and pizza in university -- also a great experience. It was ineffective.
I would never sermonize that a PED is ineffective. "PED" is a highly emotive but ambiguous term that just raises the question whether a substance can be rightfully called a PED. If a substance is ineffective, you simply cannot call it a PED. But surely you already knew this.
EPO, roids and the rest are still called peds, even if you believe them to be ineffective. Maybe you need some help for your solipsism?
But you accused me of "sermonizing on the ineffectiveness of peds". Whatever terms the ignorant masses use, this is not something I ever did, nor would do.
EPO, roids and the rest are still called peds, even if you believe them to be ineffective. Maybe you need some help for your solipsism?
But you accused me of "sermonizing on the ineffectiveness of peds". Whatever terms the ignorant masses use, this is not something I ever did, nor would do.
Please STOP!!! This was an interesting thread. You two should just get your own thread and argue there!
There are studies that I can't be bothered rehearsing yet again that show improvements as a result of doping in their subjects; there is widespread expert medical and pharmaceutical opinion about the effects of drugs on human physiology that antidoping officials rely upon; there is the experience of coaches, physios, trainers and ultimately athletes in using the drugs over generations. There is a world-wide black market practice that exceeds a billion dollars annually. But none of this constitutes "proof" to someone with no experience of the practice and whose head is so firmly entrenched up his rear that no light from the outside world will penetrate the darkness of his ignorance. And there we find you.
Go away!
You wouldn't have been there in '76 without Letsrun either.
That no one would have heard from you in '76 - and they didn't - in the absence of a forum like this does not require an intellectual basis to say that. It is strikingly obvious. But grasping such a simple point of fact is doubtless a major intellectual exercise for you.
How does that justify your personal attacks about me today? (Hint: It doesn't. It's just what you do because you don't have smart things to say.)
So this thread is a hypothetical "what if" about events in the '70s. Surely there existed a large number of science-minded fans who would respond to emotionally driven unsubstantiated allegations by stepping back and asking, what do we really know from data and observations? In the 1970's, no one knew if Viren blood-doped (we still don't know today), and not much was known nor confirmed with respect to blood transfusion effectiveness for endurance events. It was all emotion and sour grapes from the losers.
And yet blood doping was shortly banned after - and remains so, since it is an established form of doping, including in endurance events. Viren remains one of the first major suspects in the practice. In that regard he alerted many to its possible advantages and likely helped bring about it being banned sooner rather than later.
You have shown what Letsrun would have been like if it existed in '76. Every doping suspicion denied. The last 47 years has taught you nothing.
In post #13 of this thread you wrote “none of the doping talk would have occurred because the average fan knew nothing about it then.” I called you out for your ignorance and now above you are admitting that your post #13 was ignorance on display. You have been exposed again as a charlatan.
You have shown what Letsrun would have been like if it existed in '76. Every doping suspicion denied. The last 47 years has taught you nothing.
In post #13 of this thread you wrote “none of the doping talk would have occurred because the average fan knew nothing about it then.” I called you out for your ignorance and now above you are admitting that your post #13 was ignorance on display. You have been exposed again as a charlatan.
Rekrunner is not "the average fan". He is a full-time doping apologist. He would not have existed in 1976 - except as an admitted admirer of Bruce Jenner. (Interesting - in view of how "Bruce"/Caitlyn has turned out). I said previously I can always count on you not to get it. Bullseye again.
In post #13 of this thread you wrote “none of the doping talk would have occurred because the average fan knew nothing about it then.” I called you out for your ignorance and now above you are admitting that your post #13 was ignorance on display. You have been exposed again as a charlatan.
Rekrunner is not "the average fan". He is a full-time doping apologist. He would not have existed in 1976 - except as an admitted admirer of Bruce Jenner. (Interesting - in view of how "Bruce"/Caitlyn has turned out). I said previously I can always count on you not to get it. Bullseye again.
Epic fail on your part. You have said that “none of the doping talk would have occurred,” and then you said “every doping suspicion would have been denied” by Rekrunner. So which is it? Intelligence matters here. Do you even read what you write? Why do you have to derail so many threads with nothing but your unwarrantedly inflated ego? I have just again shown that you are incoherent.
But you accused me of "sermonizing on the ineffectiveness of peds". Whatever terms the ignorant masses use, this is not something I ever did, nor would do.
Please STOP!!! This was an interesting thread. You two should just get your own thread and argue there!
Rekrunner is not "the average fan". He is a full-time doping apologist. He would not have existed in 1976 - except as an admitted admirer of Bruce Jenner. (Interesting - in view of how "Bruce"/Caitlyn has turned out). I said previously I can always count on you not to get it. Bullseye again.
Epic fail on your part. You have said that “none of the doping talk would have occurred,” and then you said “every doping suspicion would have been denied” by Rekrunner. So which is it? Intelligence matters here. Do you even read what you write? Why do you have to derail so many threads with nothing but your unwarrantedly inflated ego? I have just again shown that you are incoherent.
If, as you say, intelligence matters you're in the wrong place. Rekrunner is not Letsrun. He will hold to his mad opinions while changing no one else's. You need to know when to give up.
Most would be saying it doesn't matter if Viren is doping, because 'everybody is', and especially the Brits, and Finns clearly have a genetic advantage anyway. Threads would quickly get Rekrunnered by longwinded discussion of whether reindeer milk actually aids performance. Canova would say it doesn't work on Finns.
In the 1930's it was widely believed that the Finnish domination of distance running was due to genetic advantages. For sure the scientific racists here such as Malmo and Rekrunner would be saying Viren came from a particular tribe that had adapted to the wilderness like animals.
From Scientific American :
As Bale and Sang note, when Finnish athletes dominated the global running scene in the 1930s and ‘40s, various theories about “climatic energy” and the vast wilderness where they lived—“like animals in the forest”—were offered for their success.
You don't know that. They may have been saying the environment had caused adaptations, just as the scientific racists here say altitude has caused adaptations in Kenyans and Ethiopians. Given it was the 1930s, more likely this than 'environment'. Furthermore, Scientific American quoted those claims to compare them with those similar genetic explanations today of Kalenjin success.
Lucky LetsRun wasn't around in the 1930s and 40s, as the failed American runners and hobby joggers would be preaching how obvious it was that Finns had an unsurmountable genetic advantage, and that anybody who suggested that Nurmi's 'testosterone' supplement was a more likely reason was a 'racist'.
13 year old Roger Bannister and Zatopek would have read LetsRun ('Where Dreams Are Made') every day and give up.
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