US Decathlon champ gets 3 year ban for doping violation.

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    Sprintgeezer

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    2 years ago 11/23/2022 1:34pm EST
    re: Sprintgeezer

    Sprintgeezer wrote:

    Yep, too many coincidences.

    I will say this, though, that the events are often technical, and can take years to get better at, especially for a decathlete. The age thing doesn’t bother me so much, especially if he had noticeable form improvement in things like PV and JT.

    But, too many (ridiculous) coincidences to NOT arouse serious suspicion. That is a monster score, “out of nowhere”

    Looking at his results, there's nothing in particular that screams doping to me. His progressions are good, his inconsistency still exists, his technical events like PV and LJ and DT have improved nicely. I guess that for me it is really only these missed tests that arouse suspicion.

    8867 is huge, though. Let me look it up...#14 all-time. Staying uninjured is huge, many of the top guys will tell you that they always had their best score in them, it just took the right conditions--environment and health--to permit it to unfold. Everything has to go right, and it is IMO the most complicated set of factors for any athletic discipline.

    Having said that, I have zero sympathy for anybody who misses 3 tests. Zero.

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    Sprintgeezer

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    2 years ago 11/23/2022 1:45pm EST
    re: Sprintgeezer

    Without a reasonable excuse, that is--like a serious illness in the family, financial disaster, etc.

  • Reading skill operative

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    2 years ago 11/23/2022 1:56pm EST
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    Reading skill operative wrote:

    Yes but saying that he is a doper is.

    Do you not understand what the word assumption is?

    And what are you saying we was trying to avoid getting caught for?
    And how do you know?

    What was he avoiding by missing tests and tampering with evidence if he wasn't doping?

    You again make your own assumptions.

    How on earth do you assume he avoided the tests?

    Why do you perpetually make things up as facts. To suit your prejudices ?

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    jeff tallon

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 1:55am EST
    re: RastaMon Goose

    Bull crap! are you looking at him? paper thin skin,raised traps,veins popping out,too wide shoulders. ive been muscular too,and i can tell you he screams roid use.not professional bodybuilder roided,but roided,nonethless.

  • Ooreo

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 1:58am EST
    re: Burrito Track Club fan

    Burrito Track Club fan wrote:

    Also I'm shocked a guy that looks like this is doping...
    Image:s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/euRoiUqZCcOo...

    Or a guy that looks like this.

    olympics.nbcsports.com
    Karsten Warholm clears new hurdle to get to world track and field championships
    Nick Zaccardi
    Karsten Warholm, the Olympic and world record holder in the 400m hurdles, called the five weeks since he suffered an injury "a very intense ride."
    Link:olympics.nbcsports.com/2022/07/08/kars...

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    Armstronglivs

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 8:42am EST

    rekrunner wrote:

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    What was he avoiding by missing tests and tampering with evidence if he wasn't doping?

    This is where your departure from the facts begins.

    And the great "departer from facts" himself returns. So if the athlete couldn't produce any acceptable excuses for his failures - and was not doping - it leaves only that he is effectively brain-dead and had no idea what he was doing (although tampering with evidence does require some degree of consciousness). But being brain-dead is something you undoubtedly have personal experience of.

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    RunningBecky

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 9:55am EST
    re: Reading skill operative

    Reading skill operative wrote:

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    He missed not one test or two but three. Then he tampered with evidence. He was trying to avoid getting caught. That isn't an assumption.

    Yes but saying that he is a doper is.

    Do you not understand what the word assumption is?

    And what are you saying we was trying to avoid getting caught for?
    And how do you know?

    Your argument doesn't make sense. He was intentionally missing tests (no way they were accidental. Too important). But you won't agree he was doping. If he was not trying to get away with his doping, then there was no rational reason for missing the tests.

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    Armstronglivs

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 10:59am EST
    re: RunningBecky

    RunningBecky wrote:

    Reading skill operative wrote:

    Yes but saying that he is a doper is.

    Do you not understand what the word assumption is?

    And what are you saying we was trying to avoid getting caught for?
    And how do you know?

    Your argument doesn't make sense. He was intentionally missing tests (no way they were accidental. Too important). But you won't agree he was doping. If he was not trying to get away with his doping, then there was no rational reason for missing the tests.

    Rationality is not part of the tool-kit of the extravagantly misnamed "Reading skill operative".

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 11:03am EST
    re: Burrito Track Club fan

    Burrito Track Club fan wrote:

    Also I'm shocked a guy that looks like this is doping...
    Image:s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/euRoiUqZCcOo...

    Parker Valby is next.

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    rekrunner

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 12:21pm EST
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    rekrunner wrote:

    This is where your departure from the facts begins.

    And the great "departer from facts" himself returns. So if the athlete couldn't produce any acceptable excuses for his failures - and was not doping - it leaves only that he is effectively brain-dead and had no idea what he was doing (although tampering with evidence does require some degree of consciousness). But being brain-dead is something you undoubtedly have personal experience of.

    You are getting colder. Colder. Freezing.

    You seemed quite fond of facts earlier. Are you self-aware enough to realize which of your statements are facts, and which are baseless opinions? (Rhetorical question. The answer is self-evident.)

  • Reading skill operative

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 2:31pm EST
    re: RunningBecky

    RunningBecky wrote:

    Reading skill operative wrote:

    Yes but saying that he is a doper is.

    Do you not understand what the word assumption is?

    And what are you saying we was trying to avoid getting caught for?
    And how do you know?

    Your argument doesn't make sense. He was intentionally missing tests (no way they were accidental. Too important). But you won't agree he was doping. If he was not trying to get away with his doping, then there was no rational reason for missing the tests.

    What evidence do you have that he intentionally missed tests?

  • Reading skill operative

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 2:32pm EST
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    RunningBecky wrote:

    Your argument doesn't make sense. He was intentionally missing tests (no way they were accidental. Too important). But you won't agree he was doping. If he was not trying to get away with his doping, then there was no rational reason for missing the tests.

    Rationality is not part of the tool-kit of the extravagantly misnamed "Reading skill operative".

    So what evidence do you have of intentional missed tests.

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    Armstronglivs

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    2 years ago 11/24/2022 6:31pm EST
    re: Reading skill operative

    Reading skill operative wrote:

    RunningBecky wrote:

    Your argument doesn't make sense. He was intentionally missing tests (no way they were accidental. Too important). But you won't agree he was doping. If he was not trying to get away with his doping, then there was no rational reason for missing the tests.

    What evidence do you have that he intentionally missed tests?

    That he had no acceptable reasons for missing them and that he is not mentally incompetent and didn't know what he was doing.

  • cleansportfan

    Anonymous Poster

    2 years ago 11/24/2022 6:48pm EST
    re: rekrunner

    rekrunner wrote:

    Film Rep wrote:

    Link:www.usada.org/sanction/garrett-scantli...

    Turns out it is not a doping violation, but an anti-doping rule violation:

    "Within a 12-month period, Scantling accrued three Whereabouts Failures ..."

    Isn't that the purpose of the rule though.... to make sure athletes get tested. If the athletes don't make themselves available to test, and lue about it, or doctor emails, they should not be allowed to compete.

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    rekrunner

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    2 years ago 11/25/2022 1:33am EST
    re: cleansportfan

    cleansportfan wrote:

    rekrunner wrote:

    Turns out it is not a doping violation, but an anti-doping rule violation:

    "Within a 12-month period, Scantling accrued three Whereabouts Failures ..."

    Isn't that the purpose of the rule though.... to make sure athletes get tested. If the athletes don't make themselves available to test, and lue about it, or doctor emails, they should not be allowed to compete.

    Sure. He violated the rules in a contract he agreed to, and should suffer the consequences. He has accepted that, as have I. The point is that these failures do not mean he took any banned substances.

    Tygart told us "... this case, does not involve the use of prohibited drugs ...". Posts that presume he is also doping with prohibited drugs require personal fantasy, e.g.:"I'm shocked a guy that looks like this is doping...", and "He's jacked." and "Since he looks like every other decathlete I am picking they are all doping."

  • Reading skill operative

    Anonymous Poster

    2 years ago 11/25/2022 3:05am EST
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    Reading skill operative wrote:

    What evidence do you have that he intentionally missed tests?

    That he had no acceptable reasons for missing them and that he is not mentally incompetent and didn't know what he was doing.

    Here we go again.

    You just make things up. Why don’t you just admit that you don’t know why he had the rule violations?

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    Armstronglivs

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    2 years ago 11/25/2022 10:43am EST
    re: Reading skill operative

    Reading skill operative wrote:

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    That he had no acceptable reasons for missing them and that he is not mentally incompetent and didn't know what he was doing.

    Here we go again.

    You just make things up. Why don’t you just admit that you don’t know why he had the rule violations?

    Perhaps I need to speak very s-l-o-w-l-y so you understand. If he had had legitimate reasons for any of his missed tests he would not have had a whereabouts violation. Secondly, if he was unaware that he was missing tests that he himself had chosen as the time for when the testers would call then he is mentally incompetent. No one says that - and least of all the athlete concerned. So what does that leave? He was doping but was trying not to get caught. Case closed.

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