After being sent this tweet by multiple people yesterday, I thought long & hard about whether I should engage with “I don’t know why anybody wouldn’t come to BYU.” After sleeping on it & speaking with some friends with direct experience, I still feel obligated to speak up. (1/5) https://t.co/HrFbCrOy7s
Hoax confirmed. BYU and the LDS church may have a lot to answer for, but that is no excuse to accuse a guy of shouting racial slurs and getting him banned from BYU sporting events. Just think of the implications for his employment and reputation. Whatever ridiculous justification you might invent, it is no excuse to ruin someone’s life.
I have been off the site all day as this is my son's last day of summer vacation.
But I was going to start a thread on this. I can't believe anyone believes this happened. How many hoaxes are people going to fall for? It reminds me of the UVA rape hoax. The moment I read the Rolling Stone UVA story, I thought to myself, "That makes no sense. A bunch of guy who didn't know each other (freshmen) were comfortable enough to gang rape a woman? No." There's no way people would do that unless maybe they were like comrades in arms with years of experience.
With this story, I didn't have quite as strong of a reaction but I immediately did question it. I thought, "What did the racist dude say?" I couldn't find any article that said what the slur was. I was thinking to myself, "what racial slur could they possible use that wouldn't result in the Duke players and coaches and even the BYU fans walking out? If they say something really bad like the N word, the match woudl stop. What could they have said?" Today, I"ve learned the godmother said every time the black duke player served she was called the 'N' word. There's a zero percent chance that's true. Zero. OK, if there were like 40 fans in the stands, I'd give it like .0001% chance of being true. But even if there were no fans in the stands, I think the other Duke players and coaches would be so revolted they'd walk off the court. The BYU players would also stop it. Most young people are quite liberal.
I've learned there were 5,000+ fans in the stands. You think a huge crowd would allow someone to REPEATEDLY say it. Zero chance that happens. ZERO. Maybe it would happen once bu not repeatedly - this is clearly fake news. WHy don't we have any of her Duke teammates being quoted as saying they also heard the 'N' word? It makes no sense. There is zero percent chance what the godmother is saying happened, happened.
(An offensive term could have been said but not what the godmother said).
What disturbs me most about it is we have a generation of people who have been raised to assume they are victims. That and the fact that that media just keeps reporting about the 'racist incident' instead of the 'alleged racist' incident.
I have been off the site all day as this is my son's last day of summer vacation.
But I was going to start a thread on this. I can't believe anyone believes this happened. How many hoaxes are people going to fall for. It reminds me of the UVA rape hoax. The moment I read the Rolling Stone UVA story, I thought to myself, "that makes no sense. A bunch of guy who didn't know each other (freshmen) were comfortable enough to gang rape a woman?" No. THere's no wahy people would do that unless maybe they were like comrades in arms with years of experience.
With this story, I didn't have quite as strong of a reaction but I immediately did question it. I thought, "What did the racist dude say?" I couldn't find any article that said what the slur was. I was thinking to myself, "what racial slur could they possible use that wouldn't result in the Duke players and coaches and even the BYU fans walking out? If they say something really bad like the N word, the match woudl stop. What could they have said?" Today, I"ve learned the godmother said every time the black duke player served she was called the 'N' word. There's a zero percent chance that's true. Zero. OK, if there were like 40 fans in the stands, I'd give it like .0001% chance of being true. But even if there were no fans in the stands, I think the other Duke players and coaches would be so revolted they'd walk off the court. The BYU players would also stop it. Most young people are quite liberal.
I've learned there were 5,000+ fans in the stands. You think a huge crowd would allow someone to REPEATEDLY say it. Zero chance that happens. ZERO. Maybe it would happen once bu not repeatedly - this is clearly fake news. WHy don't we have any of her Duke teammates being quoted as saying they also heard the 'N' word? It makes no sense. There is zero percent chance what the godmother is saying happened, happened.
(An offensive term could have been said but not what the godmother said).
What disturbs me most about it is we have a generation of people who have been raised to assume they are victims. That and the fact that that media just keeps reporting about the 'racist incident' instead of the 'alleged racist' incident.
I have been off the site all day as this is my son's last day of summer vacation.
But I was going to start a thread on this. I can't believe anyone believes this happened. How many hoaxes are people going to fall for. It reminds me of the UVA rape hoax. The moment I read the Rolling Stone UVA story, I thought to myself, "that makes no sense. A bunch of guy who didn't know each other (freshmen) were comfortable enough to gang rape a woman?" No. THere's no wahy people would do that unless maybe they were like comrades in arms with years of experience.
With this story, I didn't have quite as strong of a reaction but I immediately did question it. I thought, "What did the racist dude say?" I couldn't find any article that said what the slur was. I was thinking to myself, "what racial slur could they possible use that wouldn't result in the Duke players and coaches and even the BYU fans walking out? If they say something really bad like the N word, the match woudl stop. What could they have said?" Today, I"ve learned the godmother said every time the black duke player served she was called the 'N' word. There's a zero percent chance that's true. Zero. OK, if there were like 40 fans in the stands, I'd give it like .0001% chance of being true. But even if there were no fans in the stands, I think the other Duke players and coaches would be so revolted they'd walk off the court. The BYU players would also stop it. Most young people are quite liberal.
I've learned there were 5,000+ fans in the stands. You think a huge crowd would allow someone to REPEATEDLY say it. Zero chance that happens. ZERO. Maybe it would happen once bu not repeatedly - this is clearly fake news. WHy don't we have any of her Duke teammates being quoted as saying they also heard the 'N' word? It makes no sense. There is zero percent chance what the godmother is saying happened, happened.
(An offensive term could have been said but not what the godmother said).
What disturbs me most about it is we have a generation of people who have been raised to assume they are victims. That and the fact that that media just keeps reporting about the 'racist incident' instead of the 'alleged racist' incident.
Rojo goes full right wing M A G A-GaGAon this one.
Yes probably the godmother exaggerated some stuff. For sure. And yes the media is willing to 100% say it happened instead of saying "alleged racist comment." But do you really think this gal just decided out of the blue to fully out of whole cloth spin this story.... just because?!
If you are talking about what is logical and believable you think she would COMPLETELY make up the story even though she would know that all her teammates and everyone in the stands would dispute it if it didn't happen on any level, and would know that she was lying??? C'mon man!
Like it's one thing to make up something that there are only a few Witnesses for and is a somewhat private event but this is completely different. So it was a team conspiracy to blame a random BYU fan that someone said something racist to her? Clearly she thought something was said and clearly her teammates and coaches heard something too because they all said they recognize the voice of someone saying a racist slur. Maybe it was a misunderstanding but for you to claim that it was a full-on HOAX! shows what a complete right wing M A G A-t-a-r d you are.. Seriously.
I have been off the site all day as this is my son's last day of summer vacation.
But I was going to start a thread on this. I can't believe anyone believes this happened. How many hoaxes are people going to fall for. It reminds me of the UVA rape hoax. The moment I read the Rolling Stone UVA story, I thought to myself, "that makes no sense. A bunch of guy who didn't know each other (freshmen) were comfortable enough to gang rape a woman?" No. THere's no wahy people would do that unless maybe they were like comrades in arms with years of experience.
With this story, I didn't have quite as strong of a reaction but I immediately did question it. I thought, "What did the racist dude say?" I couldn't find any article that said what the slur was. I was thinking to myself, "what racial slur could they possible use that wouldn't result in the Duke players and coaches and even the BYU fans walking out? If they say something really bad like the N word, the match woudl stop. What could they have said?" Today, I"ve learned the godmother said every time the black duke player served she was called the 'N' word. There's a zero percent chance that's true. Zero. OK, if there were like 40 fans in the stands, I'd give it like .0001% chance of being true. But even if there were no fans in the stands, I think the other Duke players and coaches would be so revolted they'd walk off the court. The BYU players would also stop it. Most young people are quite liberal.
I've learned there were 5,000+ fans in the stands. You think a huge crowd would allow someone to REPEATEDLY say it. Zero chance that happens. ZERO. Maybe it would happen once bu not repeatedly - this is clearly fake news. WHy don't we have any of her Duke teammates being quoted as saying they also heard the 'N' word? It makes no sense. There is zero percent chance what the godmother is saying happened, happened.
(An offensive term could have been said but not what the godmother said).
What disturbs me most about it is we have a generation of people who have been raised to assume they are victims. That and the fact that that media just keeps reporting about the 'racist incident' instead of the 'alleged racist' incident.
Rojo, I assume you've heard the expression "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." It fits you like a glove. I'm around your age and have been on here 20+ years. Please just don't weigh in when you don't need to. Or run it by your more sensible twin first. Ok, great, you don't believe it could have happened because "it makes no sense." My god you're so stubbornly stupid.
I have been off the site all day as this is my son's last day of summer vacation.
But I was going to start a thread on this. I can't believe anyone believes this happened. How many hoaxes are people going to fall for. It reminds me of the UVA rape hoax. The moment I read the Rolling Stone UVA story, I thought to myself, "that makes no sense. A bunch of guy who didn't know each other (freshmen) were comfortable enough to gang rape a woman?" No. THere's no wahy people would do that unless maybe they were like comrades in arms with years of experience.
With this story, I didn't have quite as strong of a reaction but I immediately did question it. I thought, "What did the racist dude say?" I couldn't find any article that said what the slur was. I was thinking to myself, "what racial slur could they possible use that wouldn't result in the Duke players and coaches and even the BYU fans walking out? If they say something really bad like the N word, the match woudl stop. What could they have said?" Today, I"ve learned the godmother said every time the black duke player served she was called the 'N' word. There's a zero percent chance that's true. Zero. OK, if there were like 40 fans in the stands, I'd give it like .0001% chance of being true. But even if there were no fans in the stands, I think the other Duke players and coaches would be so revolted they'd walk off the court. The BYU players would also stop it. Most young people are quite liberal.
I've learned there were 5,000+ fans in the stands. You think a huge crowd would allow someone to REPEATEDLY say it. Zero chance that happens. ZERO. Maybe it would happen once bu not repeatedly - this is clearly fake news. WHy don't we have any of her Duke teammates being quoted as saying they also heard the 'N' word? It makes no sense. There is zero percent chance what the godmother is saying happened, happened.
(An offensive term could have been said but not what the godmother said).
What disturbs me most about it is we have a generation of people who have been raised to assume they are victims. That and the fact that that media just keeps reporting about the 'racist incident' instead of the 'alleged racist' incident.
I disagree with you, Rojo that there is "0% chance that this happened".
Crowds get rowdy. It's not true that people would "step in and do the right thing."
I'm a baseball fan--a yankees fan to be exact. Back in April there was a game vs the guardians. The guardians left fielder slammed his head into a wall attempting to catch a fly ball. He was pretty hurt and yankee fans started jeering him. afterwards, there was a confrontation between a section of fans and the centerfielder. The crowd started throwing trash and full beer cans at the centerfielder. Finally in another play, a completely different started throwing beer, trash and anything they could find at the players in droves. Two separate sections, jeering someone who was hurt, then throwing things into the field in an attempt to hurt players.
If someone told me that story without me seeing it, I never would have believed it happened. Two separate sections? Jeering an injured player? I know yankees fans get vulgar, but come on, that's way too over the top.
But it happened.
"Well that's yankees fans!"
Well that's BYU.
Maybe people tried to stop them. They didn't try hard enough. They didn't stop fans. BTW, nothing that was said could be heard on camera. we just saw all the throwing.
So was it maybe embellished by the godmother? I would believe that. But this isn't a Jussie situation. Jussie was alone, so he could make the story up. This was a crowd of people and her team was there. It's hard to believe that someone would choose that moment to tell a lie about racism. If she wanted to, maybe she could tell a story where she was alone and there weren't hundreds of potential witnesses.
I have been off the site all day as this is my son's last day of summer vacation.
But I was going to start a thread on this. I can't believe anyone believes this happened. How many hoaxes are people going to fall for. It reminds me of the UVA rape hoax. The moment I read the Rolling Stone UVA story, I thought to myself, "that makes no sense. A bunch of guy who didn't know each other (freshmen) were comfortable enough to gang rape a woman?" No. THere's no wahy people would do that unless maybe they were like comrades in arms with years of experience.
With this story, I didn't have quite as strong of a reaction but I immediately did question it. I thought, "What did the racist dude say?" I couldn't find any article that said what the slur was. I was thinking to myself, "what racial slur could they possible use that wouldn't result in the Duke players and coaches and even the BYU fans walking out? If they say something really bad like the N word, the match woudl stop. What could they have said?" Today, I"ve learned the godmother said every time the black duke player served she was called the 'N' word. There's a zero percent chance that's true. Zero. OK, if there were like 40 fans in the stands, I'd give it like .0001% chance of being true. But even if there were no fans in the stands, I think the other Duke players and coaches would be so revolted they'd walk off the court. The BYU players would also stop it. Most young people are quite liberal.
I've learned there were 5,000+ fans in the stands. You think a huge crowd would allow someone to REPEATEDLY say it. Zero chance that happens. ZERO. Maybe it would happen once bu not repeatedly - this is clearly fake news. WHy don't we have any of her Duke teammates being quoted as saying they also heard the 'N' word? It makes no sense. There is zero percent chance what the godmother is saying happened, happened.
(An offensive term could have been said but not what the godmother said).
What disturbs me most about it is we have a generation of people who have been raised to assume they are victims. That and the fact that that media just keeps reporting about the 'racist incident' instead of the 'alleged racist' incident.
"The N word might have been said once, but this is fake news!"
If the N word was said once, that is still one time too many. I hope you would agree. THat's not an innocent slip of the tongue. That's not no big deal. Sure it's not what the godmother said if that's the case, but Rachel has every right to raise an issue, and the person should have been removed.
"people have been raised to assume they are victims"
I think that's a lazy thing to say. That's not true. I think certain groups of people are stepping up and demanding respect, and a lot of times that's interpreted as "assuming they are victims."
Also, you wrote this after you kind of suggested that saying the N word once would be nothing to get upset over. It actually is something to get upset over. It actually is a reason to raise a concern. Again, this sort of falls in with people finally demanding respect. You think they are claiming victim, but they aren't. They just don't want to be called racial slurs, Rojo.
Why is Outkick probably going to be the only sports site that will cover the fact that the racial slur at a BYU-Duke volleyball game was false?Use code "VIP1...
We - LRC - don't know if it happened or not, and as usual that doesn't stop us from claiming facts. The BYU coach said that it happened and the BYU athletic director said that it happened. Rojo said that it didn't happen, but anyone with any sense at all would believe exactly the opposite of whatever rojo says by default.
Utah, BYU and LDS are extremely well known for their virulent racism. This is well documented and only a fool or a liar will dispute it. I feel kind of sad for minority athletes who have to ever compete in Provo or Athens or Tuscaloosa. They should be able to do their games without harassment.
Protests, taunts and charges of racism greeted Brigham Young University's football, basketball and other athletic teams almost everywhere they went in the late 1960s and early 1970s, owing to doctrine in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - which then, as now, owns and operates BYU - that prohibited blacks from holding ecclesiastical positions in the faith.
There is even a poster here with the screenname "27 wives" - are you kidding me? And this guy is talking about racism/bigotry? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. The anti-Mormon bigotry has gotten completely out of control.
What is offensive to you about "27 wives?" The number was actually much higher than 27, many of them preteens. Are you disgusted with the actions of that founder, or are you angry that the count was underestimated?