Hobbs Kessler runs 1:46.87 800m

king999, curious, what was your performance like from 800m to 1500m, in-season. I know my progression and Kessler should be thinking more sub-3:33.

IMHO, Hobbs is THE most talented mid D runner the US has right now.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him run 3:48 in a year or so

Why are we all doubting 3:34 again? I dont follow. He has run that before, he is clearly progressing late from injury this year, and dropped 3 sec in an 800 which i would suggest sure doesnt hurt? It is folly to say a 3 sec pr in the 8 is worth a much slower 1500? As we all know everyone is better at some events than others. He's with a good team, young, healthy, why would we be surprised by 3:32, 3:33? Why is that crazy? Unless maybe as a maturing runner he ends up being an 800 guy all along? I cant explain 3:37 in Italy. But 3:32 wouldnt surprise me at all.

Not all of us are doubting. You are correct. If he gets in the right race, he’s surely capable of 3:32-3:33. I’m still conservatively going w 3:33.

Tanner captures just why big pr's in fast races happen. They're not like the other races. Guys who are ready and primed, especially with faster primer races at shorter distances like 800 and 1k, can get on the train and do things they thought were impossible for them. Tanner had run 3:34 indoors last year or the year before--which was a shock at the time--and now he's run 3:31. Kessler did that in the 3:34 race. But he's never been in a Jakob-Tim special. Stonier had this huge breakthrough because he was in shape but also because he was in the right race to do it. There have been many years where there were Americans stuck at home running the typical 3:35 races, occasionally a second or two faster who might have been able to stick in one of the Monaco-style or now championship races and be pulled to a much faster time as well. They just never got the chance because they didn't get great q times with their only opportunities being those slower American races. Bottom line, this is why I think Kessler can drop to 3:31-32. He is fit and confident and if he's in Lausanne, he'll be pulled to a very fast time with the field.

Well, I thought I was following King's wink and a nod to indicate he'd be racing at Lausanne but he's not in the field. And he can't qualify for Zurich or Brussels. So, does that mean he's out of luck for a fast one? In that case, a pr would be great because how often are non-DL, non-champs races even low 3:31-32?

CHERUIYOT Timothy (KEN)3:28.7705 JUL 2019
REPORTS
RankPosNatNameTimeQual. rankQual. pointsSBPB
1
ESP
GARCÍA Gonzalo
3:35.92
3:35.92
2
POL
ROZMYS Michal
9
7
3:34.58
3:32.67
3
MAR
SADIKI Abdellatif
10
6
3:33.93
3:33.59
4
AUS
McSWEYN Stewart
3:33.24
3:29.51
5
GBR
GOURLEY Neil
14
5
3:32.93
3:32.93
6
GBR
STONIER Matthew
25
1
3:32.50
3:32.50
7
NZL
TANNER Samuel
3:31.34
3:31.34
8
GBR
HEYWARD Jake
7
9
3:31.08
3:31.08
9
KEN
KIPSANG Abel
1
21
3:30.82
3:29.56
10
GBR
KERR Josh
16
4
3:30.60
3:29.05
11
KEN
CHERUIYOT Timothy
5
13
3:30.21
3:28.28
12
ESP
GARCÍA Mario
3:30.20
3:30.20
13
AUS
HOARE Oliver
2
20
3:30.12
3:30.12
14
NOR
INGEBRIGTSEN Jakob
3
16
3:29.47
3:28.32
15
FRA
AKBACHE Mounir
400m - 55 sec, 800m - 1:51 min
3:39.81

Honestly is the best policy. I was never that good, or ran fast enough to be a barometer. I only ran 2 years of HS, and 1.5 of DII College. I ONLY know famous coaches LOL. That's my info source, that and Coaching a couple of very good HS'ers privately(which I do not advocate, but was requested to do so)..and seeing many many Top, Top Prospects and races over decades.

I had dispelled that days , maybe more , a while ago.

Once the field was out and I saw the size of it, and quality I knew he would not be in that. Tanner was an easy add in that his time was so much in the range of this field.

Lot of random bickering in here so let’s put this to rest: Ronnie said he’s in 3:34 shape and has 1-2 cracks left at it. That’d be a great wrap on a long comeback and then let the kid rest and head back to flag for some fall mileage

with more races under his belt hes a real competetor for major usa races

Tanner is a few years older, and by now has honed in on a pre-race routine and meal(s) that works for him, as explained here:

I wonder if Nick Willis has been as specific in pre-race prep/meals all of these years.

Keep in mind that the race in which Kessler ran his stunning 3:34.36 breakthrough WAS that kind of special race, only on a domestic level.

1. Craig Engels 3:33.64 PB
2. Charlie Grice 3:33.81 SB
3. Jake Heyward 3:33.99 PB
4. Henry Wynne 3:34.08 PB
5. Hobbs Kessler 3:34.36 PB
6. Vincent Ciattei 3:34.57 PB
7. Amos Bartelsmeyer 3:35.24 PB
8. William Paulson 3:35.42 PB
9. Mason Ferlic 3:35.45 PB
10. Eric Avila 3:35.60 PB
11. Josh Thompson 3:35.88 SB

9 of the top 11 finishers set PBs (2 of those 9 have improved them since). Obviously that race was a good opportunity for these guys to run fast, and was probably the ideal opportunity for Kessler last year. No guarantee that you could slot any of these guys in a Jakob Ingebrigtsen race and they would run faster—it might actually be less than ideal for them.

Mario Garcia and Sam Tanner ran 3:32.71 and 3:33.67, respectively, today. Hobbs has faster 800m and 1000m PB’s than either of those guys.

To Be fair ,Garcia Romo as he used to be known as, LOL, ran only .03 slower back on April 8th, I am sure with his recent 1500's and WC finish, he could run faster than that by a little at least now. And as all know, I am a huge Kessler supporter. It's almost kind of a shame that Hobb's season has to come to an end sometime, I think he is getting better and sharper week over week, and that one month lost, way back , really did set him back a bit. I would think, there is a possibility he goes on 9/4 and maybe even 5th Ave Mile a week later .

Yes! Make it happen! Even if 9/4 gets sacrificed to reduce travel stress. But he’s young, so maybe not a problem there.

But better safe than sorry. If he gets into 5th, go all in and make it this season’s climatic race!

Kessler goes on 9/4 in Padova , I think, not sure that Hocker , Nuguse might be in, I also think Sowinski and Grice as pacing?

For those wondering about 5th Ave. Mile? I would believe there to be a possibility, but its will have been a long month in Europe.

So, Kessler will go on 9/4. I am not sure Hocker and Nuguse are in, considering they ran yesterday, I did not know that they were in Lucerne until day before, that is on me..I should have been aware. I guess they could still be in this on 9/4 as it would seem at least Nuguse is looking for a faster time than that one yesterday . The next year Q standard I believe is 3:34.2 "In the window". I do have other info , but cannot post it yet, sorry.Stay tuned.

Too bad Kessler isn’t running the full mile, as I believe he could take Ryun’s U20 US record and his own U20 1500 en route. I think he’s capable of 3:32, but I’m still sticking with the 3:33 prediction. Depends on the race really.