28% of Americans won’t even consider buying an EV

You're comparing Apples to Dirt---animals to a machine. What is being compared is what is being used to drive a machine...big difference. You probably thought you had a good point. Try again.

Thanks for letting us know that you think the standard gas powered sedan can drive 1,000 miles on two tanks of gas. Of course there are hybrid cars and cars with large tanks that can go that far on less fill ups. That wasn't the point.

Sure they do. I know a guy who has a solar array on his roof and he is able to charge his new Rivian and his electric economy car on that, in addition to powering his home and selling a small amount of electricity back to the power company on the year.

It should be noted that the array is a good size and he has a battery in his house.

Something interesting is that his region is prone to winter outages. With his house battery and vehicles storing power (and connected to his house) he surmizes ge could go a full cloudy week with power out with no problems.

Also interesting, when the car batteries no longer have the range that he deems appropriate he plans to remove them and retrofit them for permanent house storage.

His solar array is producing kwh daily, maybe 50kWh (energy) a day. But to charge his cars he needs to be connected to the utility grid for the 25 kW (demand) on demand his fast charger needs to replenish the car batteries. I really doubt he could disconnect from the grid and then car his car batteries via solar alone in less than several hours.

When he is charging his car he is pulling energy from the grid. Then later after car is charged he slowly pushes excess kwh (those extra solar kWh not needed to meet household current needs( ie lights, fridge, etc) back onto the grid when his solar array is over producing energy. Over a billing month he may be able to charge his cars, meet his household energy needs and still have some kWh left at end. Those are pushed onto the grid.

If you looked at his power meter when charging his car you will see the utility meter reading energy needed from the grid. He would not be charging the car and also pushing excess kWh onto the grid.

What % of Americans would consider buying a pickup truck?

If you live in a city in an apartment complex it wouldn’t make much sense.

Similar argument for the same people considering an EV.

What % would consider buying a sports car?

You actually don’t have to plan anything, at least not for Teslas. Tesla navigation includes required stops at charging stations as part of your route. I can only assume other car manufacturers have a similar feature.

Yea basically this.

The average homeowner is not going to go out of his way to install a home charger or TWO home chargers (1.88 vehicles per household) for a car that costs MORE money than the gas guzzler they currently drive.

Hybrids have 10000x the future than plug ins do. Companies could switch to 100% hybrid right now and consumers wouldn't have to change how they power their vehicle, other than having to put in less gas over time.

Alan

About 9% of households in the US do not have access to or own a car.

About 16% of the US adult population does not have a drivers license. A rapidly growing number of younger people (now over 19+% of 19-24 year old individuals) are choosing not to obtain a drivers license. The percentage of US adults choosing to not have a drivers license increases every year. Use of other transportation options such as Uber, public transportation, bicycling and walking are becoming more prevalent each year.

To spin the results of this same us survey differently, 63% are interested in EVs and 31% would consider purchasing an EV.

Hybrids don’t go very far without needing gas to keep the electric motor going.

If you don’t want to deal with going to a gas station, you get an EV.

EV’s aren’t for everyone, but they will be for more and more people each year.

I’m amazed at the visceral negativity people are displaying towards them - or for them, for that matter.

It’s simply another choice of vehicles.
The more people purchase EVs the lower demand on gas will be and the lower gas prices will be.
So, if you must always have a gas car, you should hope more people buy EVs.

Yeah - part of it is probably from the usual ultraconservative types that populate LR. But part of it is that a lot of Tesla owners are just not very likable people. They own Teslas because they are the ultimate yuppie toys. The Tesla forums are populated by neurotics that come off as prissy b*tches, and who base their self worth on owning a Tesla (not too different from a lot of BMW or Mercedes owners, I guess...). I mean, how many Teslas have you seen where the license plate alludes to the fact that the car is electric? Really? And I say this as a Tesla owner.

It’s not the car’s fault how people act.

There’s also a weird dynamic with Elon Musk and Tesla.
Conservatives love Musk’s whole free market thing. Liberals love the low emissions, anti oil thing.

They’re good cars. They look nice. They are fast. Low maintenance.

But there are other nice EVs.
I’m not in the market for a car right now but assume EVs will only get better and one will probably be my next car.

But the hate . . .

I rent and I just charge my EV off the dryer socket: enough amps to fully charge in a few hours. For people living in apartments it is a problem, though.

Quite simply put I'd be willing to bet if you put together a map of the US and showed which states have extreme interest in EVs vs which states are like "heck no" it would look exactly like an electoral map from any election. As someone who lives in Ohio I can guarantee you the average man living out in the country such as myself will not be buying an electric vehicle. The range is terrible to begin with and as soon as you hook a trailer, camper etc, or load the bed of F-150 lightning with lumber, mulch, dirt etc, you suddenly make the range even worse. I'll stick to my gas truck until you fruity coastal elites ultimately decide to make it illegal for me to drive a gas truck.

And before you libs try to claim that oh you truck people are the minority....the 3 top selling vehicles in the United States in 2021 were all truck.

1. Ford F Series

2. Dodge Ram

3. Chevy Silverado

Simply put: truck people are largest part of the market.

I'm late to this thread but buying an EV as a second car in a two car family is a no brainer. The average American only drives 39 miles per day so charging overnight or range anxiety isn't a problem. Take the ICE or PHEV for the long trips.

ID4 is 42k with 7500 tax credit and 2500 state rebate. That's 32k after incentives, about 5k more than a Rav4 or CR-V. I charge for free at work so I will get that 5k difference back easily. No oil changes and less mechanical parts to fix/maintain. Best of all no emissions, quiet ride and instant torque. VW will introduce a 35k ID4 next year which is 25k after incentives, even cheaper than a Rav4 or CR-V.

So you're new to the LetsRun forums then?

EV's are better than ICE vehicles, but they miss the bigger picture. Dense walkable cities with public transit and cycling is the end game. Not more cars and more highway lanes.

An EV as a second car? Sure. An EV as an only car? For most people it's not going to work all the time.

This is true. 35% of Americans are convinced of almost any wild and easily disproved conspiracy theory that comes their way ( QANON, The big election fraud lie, etc. ). So if only 28% would not consider an EV that has obvious real downsides compared to other available options, the technology has a very positive rating.