Cal Poly is in the Cal State system, which is a crap show. He will learn fast how hard it is to work in a union school where nothing gets done, admission applications get lost, and scholarships take 2-3 weeks to get written. A system that works as slow as a snail. Not to mention the constant issues with budget and approval to fly to "banned states" by the Csu system. Your not even allowed to attend the coaches convention in Texas without special permission. It is not the SEC and he will really struggle to get the same results with a way less efficient machine. Very hard to get in foreigner's. Admissions is difficult. Hard to recruit minority athletes there. Budgets are way lack luster. But it is a beautiful place with nice wine. Good place for a retirement job and to be with family. Not a place to be a national power.
Can't argue with a lot of what you wrote. To a large degree much of it is true though you do seem a bit bitter. I work in the system and it's all doable, you just have to work harder than you realistically should.
Budget won't be the same... but there aren't many places that aren't in the SEC or the B10 that this isn't an issue.
The one thing I'm not sure I agree with is the whole 'banned states' issue. At least in my experience I have never had an issue with it (ever)... it's actually never been mentioned to me.
I do know that at least in the past SLO has been all in for distance... they have little interest in track so if you are a distance coach that's a plus.
Last thing I'll add is didn't he come from Old Mis? Are they a national power? It will be no harder for him to build a national power at SLO than it was at Old Mis.. won't be easy but can't be much harder.
It is Cal State policy that you have to use non-state funds to travel to banned states. That means fundraising money by the team or the athletic department has to cover the expense, which also has to get approved by the President. It's a problem for conventions, recruiting, or non- conference/championship meets. The requests can get denied if they don't see it as "essential." Even going to Regionals or nationals has to get approved and come from non-state budgets if they are in banned states. This has been the policy for the past 10 years and is a real pain.
Can't argue with a lot of what you wrote. To a large degree much of it is true though you do seem a bit bitter. I work in the system and it's all doable, you just have to work harder than you realistically should.
Budget won't be the same... but there aren't many places that aren't in the SEC or the B10 that this isn't an issue.
The one thing I'm not sure I agree with is the whole 'banned states' issue. At least in my experience I have never had an issue with it (ever)... it's actually never been mentioned to me.
I do know that at least in the past SLO has been all in for distance... they have little interest in track so if you are a distance coach that's a plus.
Last thing I'll add is didn't he come from Old Mis? Are they a national power? It will be no harder for him to build a national power at SLO than it was at Old Mis.. won't be easy but can't be much harder.
It is Cal State policy that you have to use non-state funds to travel to banned states. That means fundraising money by the team or the athletic department has to cover the expense, which also has to get approved by the President. It's a problem for conventions, recruiting, or non- conference/championship meets. The requests can get denied if they don't see it as "essential." Even going to Regionals or nationals has to get approved and come from non-state budgets if they are in banned states. This has been the policy for the past 10 years and is a real pain.
Sorry it's been a pain for you. I guess I'm lucky it hasn't been for me.
You do realize that they reject hundreds if not thousands of 4.0 GPA students right?
Depends on the major. If you're an engineering major, it's as tough as anywhere to get in. One of my former student/athletes got rejected by CPSLO's engineering school but got a full academic scholarship at University of Arizona. Graduated with a degree in aerospace engineering and now has a sweet gig working for a major aerospace firm.
Much of what was said about the Cal State system is true. I know at my local CSU, trying to do anything on that campus is a Sisyphean effort. That being said, CPSLO could be another NAU situation, a mid major with a lot of really great factors working for it that can run with the majors.
You do realize that they reject hundreds if not thousands of 4.0 GPA students right?
Depends on the major. If you're an engineering major, it's as tough as anywhere to get in. One of my former student/athletes got rejected by CPSLO's engineering school but got a full academic scholarship at University of Arizona. Graduated with a degree in aerospace engineering and now has a sweet gig working for a major aerospace firm.
Much of what was said about the Cal State system is true. I know at my local CSU, trying to do anything on that campus is a Sisyphean effort. That being said, CPSLO could be another NAU situation, a mid major with a lot of really great factors working for it that can run with the majors.
It makes a significant difference if you are applying from within state or out of state. They don't want 80% of the state school to be from out of state, so they limit out of state acceptances to a very small number.
Stanford, however, might actually prefer mostly out of state students because they get to brag about having geographic diversity on campus.
Thanks for the link. In my opinion, these were relatively easy choices for Vanhoy and Carlson who live with their families throughout the year in the towns where they coach.
SLO (perfect weather all year, hills, many trails) > Oxford MS (charming, but hot & humid)
Knoxville (moderate weather, hills, trails) > South Bend (great school, but cold & flat, and recruiting is limited to those who wish to attend a Catholic university)
Cal Poly and Tennessee will undoubtedly become successful distance (and mid distance) programs in a few years.
Thanks for the link. In my opinion, these were relatively easy choices for Vanhoy and Carlson who live with their families throughout the year in the towns where they coach.
SLO (perfect weather all year, hills, many trails) > Oxford MS (charming, but hot & humid)
Knoxville (moderate weather, hills, trails) > South Bend (great school, but cold & flat, and recruiting is limited to those who wish to attend a Catholic university)
Cal Poly and Tennessee will undoubtedly become successful distance (and mid distance) programs in a few years.
I shouldn't have said they were easy choices for these two coaches, as these kinds of decisions are never easy, even if they involve promotions and higher pay. But their choices make sense.
Depends on the major. If you're an engineering major, it's as tough as anywhere to get in. One of my former student/athletes got rejected by CPSLO's engineering school but got a full academic scholarship at University of Arizona. Graduated with a degree in aerospace engineering and now has a sweet gig working for a major aerospace firm.
Much of what was said about the Cal State system is true. I know at my local CSU, trying to do anything on that campus is a Sisyphean effort. That being said, CPSLO could be another NAU situation, a mid major with a lot of really great factors working for it that can run with the majors.
It makes a significant difference if you are applying from within state or out of state. They don't want 80% of the state school to be from out of state, so they limit out of state acceptances to a very small number.
Stanford, however, might actually prefer mostly out of state students because they get to brag about having geographic diversity on campus.
I know several kids in a variety of majors that are in state and 4.0 students and have been rejected. Just about every kid with good grades in CA applies to Cal Poly.
31 seniors graduated in California this year with PRs of 9:10 or better. They ALL know Cal Poly's academic reputation is on par with any school in CA with the possible exceptions of Stanford and Berkley. He should have no problems finding talent
Agreed.
I have no idea why people are arguing about this. He took the job, for whatever reasons.
It's a solid school. He'll get solid recruits. Will he out recruit Stanford? No. But he'll certainly have an opportunity to win some recruiting battles vs UCLA, Cal, Portland, Nau, etc... He'll get plenty of recruits... they already do.
VanHoy has also proven that he is a great coach that can develop talent. I wonder if he's not super worried about getting the cream of the crop as he trusts his coaching ability? He has also shown that he's a great international recruiter and seems to be one of the few D1 coaches that will go out and pick up a D2 kid that has been performing well. Plenty of talent comes through the California JUCO system that I doubt established programs like Stanford look at
all of the mid distance runners in california already take a strong look so that will be exciting. they already recruit pretty well and if you look at their results they have 5 guys returning for XC with 14:11 or faster 5ks.
and a lot of that was during a pretty tumultuous track season with a lot of uncertainty for them
Do you realize that 25% of the students have an ACT below 26?
Curious why you feel the need to dis Cal Poly students? No one said they are as good as Stanford. The point is it is an excellent school, getting better, and offers a lot for students.
It is a great school. Stating a fact in response to an inaccurate post is not dissing anything. It is a great school but the fact remains that thousands of mediocre students attend it also. Some tried to claim that it is better than it is. It is well above an average D1 school but is about average in California.
It is a great school. Stating a fact in response to an inaccurate post is not dissing anything. It is a great school but the fact remains that thousands of mediocre students attend it also. Some tried to claim that it is better than it is. It is well above an average D1 school but is about average in California.
News flash... in the interests of 'accuracy' and all... there are mediocre students everywhere.... including Cal. And telling us about the fine ACT scores at Cal doesn't change that.
About average in CA? lol. Do you have any idea how many schools there are in CA?
It is a great school. Stating a fact in response to an inaccurate post is not dissing anything. It is a great school but the fact remains that thousands of mediocre students attend it also. Some tried to claim that it is better than it is. It is well above an average D1 school but is about average in California.
News flash... in the interests of 'accuracy' and all... there are mediocre students everywhere.... including Cal. And telling us about the fine ACT scores at Cal doesn't change that.
About average in CA? lol. Do you have any idea how many schools there are in CA?
VanHoy will do fine there.
The bigger question is he keep Priscilla?
Very tough school to get into. You can get in the UCs easier than you can get in Cal Poly.
I am curious about Pricilla. I am wondering if she is currently updating her resume.
