You are correct in many parts of this big city, Marseille, which is the second largest city in France, you will find more similarities with Rabat (Morocco), Algiers (Algeria), or Tunis (Tunisia). This situation will continue to evolve in the future to become even more emphasized because traditionally Muslims have a much higher birth rate compared with Christians.
As result of the situation of a large Maghreb population, Marseille has the most fanatical soccer aficionados in the French League 1. Other French league teams with fanatical support include Lens in the north, and St Étienne - although this last team is going through hard times now.
Paris DL Official Discussion Thread: Monster races in perspective. Gressier v Crippa, 5000, possible sub 13:00
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My bad, Sainte -Étienne were relegated to Ligue 2 at the end of the 2020 - 2021 season because of their poor results. This team and its supporters have a reputation of being very hostile to outsiders. Very different situation and culture with rugby in France where supporters and players all have a beer together after the match despite having a fierce battle on the field during the match. Football and rugby supporters are poles apart.
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Benjamin Robert, the new star in French 800 m running, 1:43.75, looks more like a rugby player or soccer player than middle distance runner. Short and stocky.
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CheapThrills.. wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Fisher is not a gold medal threat. He couldn't close out the win in a 28 minute race, what's he going to do against guys like Barega who can close a 26:50 race in 51 seconds? Fisher and Gressier have one objective in Eugene and that's to be relevant in the race. Fisher got 5th in Tokyo but he was never a factor in the race, no one ever had to be concerned with him or any moves he might make. That's the next step for him. That might mean leading for a spell in the middle, squeezing the pace, or just doing something to not be another forgettable face in a big field. Same for Gressier. Rupp was less talented than a lot of the people he beat for silver in 2012, he just ran smarter and made himself a factor in the race. There's learning points there
Couldn't win in a 28 minute race? Do you actually think he was anywhere near his peak shape or even had a great desire to win that one? Remember, the guy that beat him may very well also be in the top 5 in Eugene. Klecker is extremely good. Fisher has jumped to another level this year and Eugene will likely take place during normal conditions, and not Tokyo's horrendous 75 dew point. Those conditions are a clear advantage to lightweights like Barega, who's only 117 pounds. Fisher has 20 pounds on him. Maybe, maybe not not clear gold medal threat, but then who do you think is? In your mind its only Barega? I think Fisher belongs in the top three, and there is no clear winner there. Any one of them can capture gold in Eugene.
you're telling me that a guy without a single professional achievement to his name didn't want to win the national title? A true elite 10k guy would close in at least 53 off 28 minute pace.
Kleckerer is a good runner but I watched him run 13:04 in good conditions earlier this week. That does not say to me he's going to be top 5 in the 10k in Eugene.
All three Ethiopians, and both Kiplimo and Cheptegei can close harder than Fisher off a faster pace. I would set the over/under on Fisher for the 10k in Eugene at 6th place. And it will be tight to get that. His teammates, Ahmed and Scott, as well as people like Gressier and Crippa, will all be around him at the end.
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someone is outta touch wrote:
Impala31 wrote:
I'm surprised no one else talk about Gressier race. One one the most impressive run i've seen by an European in distance races.
13'08 with this heat is probably worth sub 13.
What? Have you not seen this European named Jakob Ingebrigtsen run? Way more impressive than Gressier over 5k winning his last two races in 12:47 and 13:02, and that’s not even his primary distance.
I did not say it was the best run ever by an european but apart from Jakob who is obvioulsy on another level and Mo Farah, European have done very poorly in 5000/10000 over the past 20 years.
And the fews who did well are mostly african born (farah, crippa, kaya, bezabeh etc)
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Hobby1jogger wrote:
I'm shocked the commentator mentioned Miller-Uibo said the 400 M may not be her thing at Worlds. She's thinking the 200. But during the Diamond League race clearly she eased up and purposely slowed. Still won with a 50-ish finish. I don't see her getting beat in the 400. I think she wouldn't be first in the 200. Price, Sha'Carri are just two of the competitors she could lose too. I see her as the winner of the 400. I find her statement a little shocking.
Miller-Uibo lose to Sha'carri in the 200M... You are not serious with that right?
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High hopes wrote:
CheapThrills.. wrote:
Couldn't win in a 28 minute race? Do you actually think he was anywhere near his peak shape or even had a great desire to win that one? Remember, the guy that beat him may very well also be in the top 5 in Eugene. Klecker is extremely good. Fisher has jumped to another level this year and Eugene will likely take place during normal conditions, and not Tokyo's horrendous 75 dew point. Those conditions are a clear advantage to lightweights like Barega, who's only 117 pounds. Fisher has 20 pounds on him. Maybe, maybe not not clear gold medal threat, but then who do you think is? In your mind its only Barega? I think Fisher belongs in the top three, and there is no clear winner there. Any one of them can capture gold in Eugene.
you're telling me that a guy without a single professional achievement to his name didn't want to win the national title? A true elite 10k guy would close in at least 53 off 28 minute pace.
Kleckerer is a good runner but I watched him run 13:04 in good conditions earlier this week. That does not say to me he's going to be top 5 in the 10k in Eugene.
All three Ethiopians, and both Kiplimo and Cheptegei can close harder than Fisher off a faster pace. I would set the over/under on Fisher for the 10k in Eugene at 6th place. And it will be tight to get that. His teammates, Ahmed and Scott, as well as people like Gressier and Crippa, will all be around him at the end.
You watched Klecker nearly beating 5000 specialist and top east African in Wale and you think he won't be a factor in the 10 in Eugene?? And he's not even sharpened yet? What? Cheptegei is not beating Klecker in a 27:00 race. And Kiplimo is done
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Ghost1 wrote:
I see a bunch of French elites like Benjamin Robert have trained in Iten. Where does Gressier train?
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El Keniano wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
I see a bunch of French elites like Benjamin Robert have trained in Iten. Where does Gressier train?
He mostly trains at the national sports center in France (INSEP), and also in Font Romeu. In the past he also trained in Kenya a few times notably in Eldoret and Iten. He’s fully sponsored by the French athletics Federation, Fédération française d’athlétisme. At present, he’s one of my favorite athletes if not the favorite.
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classy n sassy wrote:
High hopes wrote:
you're telling me that a guy without a single professional achievement to his name didn't want to win the national title? A true elite 10k guy would close in at least 53 off 28 minute pace.
Kleckerer is a good runner but I watched him run 13:04 in good conditions earlier this week. That does not say to me he's going to be top 5 in the 10k in Eugene.
All three Ethiopians, and both Kiplimo and Cheptegei can close harder than Fisher off a faster pace. I would set the over/under on Fisher for the 10k in Eugene at 6th place. And it will be tight to get that. His teammates, Ahmed and Scott, as well as people like Gressier and Crippa, will all be around him at the end.
You watched Klecker nearly beating 5000 specialist and top east African in Wale and you think he won't be a factor in the 10 in Eugene?? And he's not even sharpened yet? What? Cheptegei is not beating Klecker in a 27:00 race. And Kiplimo is done
Damn, I fell for it. Well played
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