Off and on from 2017ish. I would say it is very important to at the very least take weekly breaks. Usually taking the weekend off is a good idea. I try to take Fri-Sun off. Also periodic longer breaks of a month or so is probably a good idea.
I also try to get my run in before taking it because with working from home, its very easy to get in the habit of pushing my run to lunch time because of how much I enjoy running/working out when on adderall. Next thing you know, my lunch break turns into 2 hours because I ran longer than I planned and went to the gym to do some squats and deadlifts when I should probably be doing my job.
For Molly, her only job is running/working out so why wouldnt she take it before running/working out which obviously will make that easier for that. This is why I think she probably shouldnt be allowed to compete but I would also be shocked if this wasnt much more common than we think. To my knowledge, there would be no way of us knowing that she was getting a TUE unless she disclosed it? Or at the very least for what its for? Professional endurance athletes should be looking to do whatever they can within the rules to get an advantage so it would be shocking if there werent a lot of people on adderall but we just dont know about it. I could see a fair amount of endurance athletes being nervous about taking an amphetamine before an intense workout due to the fear of having a heart attack or something but with no real evidence of it increasing the risk of that, it would be shocking if many werent already doing this. So props for Molly for being honest
Would a runner need less recovery while using Adderall?
The replies to this are vintage Let's Run message board. Let's see who we can destroy today.
I don't think people are destroying anyone. People are trying to understand this.
It kind of reminds me of untimed SAT tests. If one person can have it, why not everyone?
I've always though to adderall as like steroids for the brain and wondered why everyone wasn't on it but have never taken it. Recently, a friend of mine just got on it and said, "Rojo. go see your doctor and get on it."
That sentiment was widespread as there were whole companies popping up to give people it without even going to the doctor's office.
However, there must be some negative side effects to it as these pharmacies won't give it out. Or maybe they are just simply spooked by the opiod lawsuits where they now realize they could be held liable for sitting on data that a single doc or single pharmacy is giving out 10,000 x more of a certain drug than is average?
What's interesting about adderall is it made baseball player Chris Davis l$161 million (over 7 y ears).. When he was on it, he was AMAZING, but then he got popped for Adderall and couldn't get a TUE for it. He ended up being one of the worst players in the history of baseball .
What I don't get is why they wouldn't give him the TUE for it. Clearly if he was that much better at baseball on it than not, couldn't you argue his brain needed it? I just kind of feel like you should either allow it for all or none.
Molly undoubtedly believes that taking Adderall is the right thing for her to do, but I don’t know why she she shared her decision on social media. Salazar told a reporter he was taking Prosac, he was roundly mocked. When he ran in a road relay in Eugene, there were support vehicles that had a “Prosac Free” sign on them. By making her announcement she has put herself in the crosshairs of some nasty, insensitive people.
Adderall can be helpful, but it can also lead to addiction. Here is what the experts say on why Adderall can be addictive and the dangers of abusing it.
The benefits of Adderall for a marathoner are probably minimal and may be outweighed by the drug's burdens. Adderall might be helpful if taken as a one off boost before competition or a big workout. But people who take it daily tend to acclimate to it and do not see the same sort of boost in heart rate, etc. that people who take it for a single race, etc. get. Adderall also has a diuretic effect and screws with your metabolism. Adderall makes your blood vessels constrict and raises blood pressure. In theory, the stimulant effect of Adderall can help increase endurance. But in a marathon, you do not want to have constricted blood vessels and higher blood pressure (and loosing water and electrolytes faster). On Adderall, you may not be able to properly manage your energy over a marathon as the drug interferes with your ability to accurately assess effort levels. And there is a heart risk when taking Adderall that is pretty serious and may be a concern for distance runners.
ADHD is probably over diagnosed in kids because parents want a diagnosis to explain why their brilliant kid is doing a lousy job at school and is generally a jerk to the other kids and teachers instead of having to do the hard work of parenting. But that is not an issue with adults. Also, ADHD does not necessarily mean that people are bad at academics. Many people with ADHD can excel in academics and work, but do so at an extreme emotional and psychological cost. Grace Blakeley is a British political/economics commentator and author. She went to Oxford and got two degrees. She wrote two books and a bunch of articles for Tribune Magazine, the Independent and the New Statesman. She got an adult diagnosis of ADHD.
I think Molly is being straight about this and is not trying to get an edge on the competition. She already has success in the marathon and has been open about mental health struggles.
The replies to this are vintage Let's Run message board. Let's see who we can destroy today.
I don't think people are destroying anyone. People are trying to understand this.
It kind of reminds me of untimed SAT tests. If one person can have it, why not everyone?
I've always though to adderall as like steroids for the brain and wondered why everyone wasn't on it but have never taken it. Recently, a friend of mine just got on it and said, "Rojo. go see your doctor and get on it."
That sentiment was widespread as there were whole companies popping up to give people it without even going to the doctor's office.
However, there must be some negative side effects to it as these pharmacies won't give it out. Or maybe they are just simply spooked by the opiod lawsuits where they now realize they could be held liable for sitting on data that a single doc or single pharmacy is giving out 10,000 x more of a certain drug than is average.
Imagine what Kipchoge could do to the marathon WR if he took meth.
Those of us more enlightened can see that WADA has no long term future because of how widespread the use of PEDs are in all sports and also in Fred's and Willma's taking them for looks and "anti-aging". Case in point is Ryan Hall.
Her TUE hasn't been approved yet and there's a chance that it might not be. If it's denied, is she going to retire?
If you don't have the TUE how many days before competition would you have to get off it? That would seem to be the next best course of action.
Hopefully they figure out a good course of action for everyone.
Sounds like she thinks she really needs to be on this drug and the authorities have a system to evalute that.
I haven't discussed this with Robert, but was just looking at the ADHD symptoms and wondering too if I might have it. Got great grades in school so that wasn't a problem but can be easily distracted but don't have a problem focusing when I need to. But I read something about constantly being late. I like to show up exactly on time which might mean 1-5 mnutes late in a lot of circumstances. I think I like the adrenaline rush. Going somewhere 5 minutes early is like a totally foreign concept. Why would I waste the time.
This is hilarious. Everyone at my work buys adderal so that they can crush the amount of work they can handle. And yes, they succeed. They are like robots with laser focus, (skipping meals) and efficiency. Every time I question them they always have a protective response about how it’s for their mental health or how a doctor prescribed them… so it must be fine.
The new mental health theatre is hilarious. Yes you have anxiety, yes you have stress, yes you are sad. Humans lived in a jungle for millions of years and we evolved to have all of those to stay alive! We are not special, you don’t need the legal form of speed to live like your commission based doctor tells you.
The replies to this are vintage Let's Run message board. Let's see who we can destroy today.
I don't think people are destroying anyone. People are trying to understand this.
It kind of reminds me of untimed SAT tests. If one person can have it, why not everyone?
I've always though to adderall as like steroids for the brain and wondered why everyone wasn't on it but have never taken it. Recently, a friend of mine just got on it and said, "Rojo. go see your doctor and get on it."
That sentiment was widespread as there were whole companies popping up to give people it without even going to the doctor's office.
However, there must be some negative side effects to it as these pharmacies won't give it out. Or maybe they are just simply spooked by the opiod lawsuits where they now realize they could be held liable for sitting on data that a single doc or single pharmacy is giving out 10,000 x more of a certain drug than is average?
There are many negative aspects to Adderal but if you need it for a serious mental condition like she has, it is worth while. It does NOT give her a competitive advantage. It allows her to function normally.
But I disagree with you about one thing. This is a typical Lets Run message post. VERY few people are trying to understand anything. They are just attacking out of ignorance.
Perhaps as part of the discourse and Letsrun reporting you could also follow up to ask if she's had any other TUE's. Did she have a TUE for another medication at the trials? Olympics? While she's been transparent about this TUE application, there's no acknowledgement of historical TUE's or lack thereof in her statement.
The benefits of Adderall for a marathoner are probably minimal and may be outweighed by the drug's burdens. Adderall might be helpful if taken as a one off boost before competition or a big workout. But people who take it daily tend to acclimate to it and do not see the same sort of boost in heart rate, etc. that people who take it for a single race, etc. get. Adderall also has a diuretic effect and screws with your metabolism. Adderall makes your blood vessels constrict and raises blood pressure. In theory, the stimulant effect of Adderall can help increase endurance. But in a marathon, you do not want to have constricted blood vessels and higher blood pressure (and loosing water and electrolytes faster). On Adderall, you may not be able to properly manage your energy over a marathon as the drug interferes with your ability to accurately assess effort levels. And there is a heart risk when taking Adderall that is pretty serious and may be a concern for distance runners.
ADHD is probably over diagnosed in kids because parents want a diagnosis to explain why their brilliant kid is doing a lousy job at school and is generally a jerk to the other kids and teachers instead of having to do the hard work of parenting. But that is not an issue with adults. Also, ADHD does not necessarily mean that people are bad at academics. Many people with ADHD can excel in academics and work, but do so at an extreme emotional and psychological cost. Grace Blakeley is a British political/economics commentator and author. She went to Oxford and got two degrees. She wrote two books and a bunch of articles for Tribune Magazine, the Independent and the New Statesman. She got an adult diagnosis of ADHD.
I think Molly is being straight about this and is not trying to get an edge on the competition. She already has success in the marathon and has been open about mental health struggles.
One can and should be skeptical of an athlete and a diagnosis of adult ADHD as it relates to a decline in training during a running career.
As adderall is an amphetamine, it should not be able to have a TUE attached because it's an upper and artificially augments the physical parts of the body even if it's main manifestation is in the brain.
One would have to also figure out which twitch sensors and which receptors are affected concurrently and to which degree in order to justify why adderall should ever be allowable.
What's interesting about adderall is it made baseball player Chris Davis l$161 million (over 7 y ears).. When he was on it, he was AMAZING, but then he got popped for Adderall and couldn't get a TUE for it. He ended up being one of the worst players in the history of baseball .
He got caught for Adderall but I suspect he was on more than just that.
Molly undoubtedly believes that taking Adderall is the right thing for her to do, but I don’t know why she she shared her decision on social media. Salazar told a reporter he was taking Prosac, he was roundly mocked. When he ran in a road relay in Eugene, there were support vehicles that had a “Prosac Free” sign on them. By making her announcement she has put herself in the crosshairs of some nasty, insensitive people.
It's a different today simply because SO many people are on pills. If you are not on some anti depressant, ADHD med, etc you are the rare one.
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