At 1600 deaths per million of COVID, Washington State is just over 50% of the national average, which is just about to hit 3,000 deaths per million, and 993,000 deaths overall, according to Worldometer. I'd say that Washington State has done quite well for a state that was the first in the nation to be hit by COVID.
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Masks are stupid. No people wearing them doesn’t effect me, but I still think people are stupid for wearing them.
Just like if everyone started wearing bike helmets everywhere they went just in case. Wouldn’t effect me, but I’d still think they were stupid.
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sheeple wrote:
I am in a state where the mask mandate was lifted a couple of weeks ago. I am very normal and healthy person but I still feel most comfortable wearing my mask when in public indoor places, even though I'm now in the minority as about 75% do not wear masks in public anymore.
I feel that it has probably helped me stave off a few colds over the last two years and what does it matter. It is my choice and I choose to wear a mask (just like a choose to wear a baseball hat).
Yesterday, when at the grocery store, I walked by an unmasked older man who was shopping with his mother. I hear him say "sheeple" somewhat quietly in my direction. I turned to look at him and his mother states "don't embarrass me" in which he responds to his mother "I just can't help it."
I continue my stare at him as he walks away saying "sheeple, sheeple, sheeple."
Now, I'm not sure what this man's objective is, but a couple things stood out to me:
#1 - How am I in any way bothering this man or his mother that he has to engage me? What does he really care?
#2 - This man doesn't know my health history or anything about me really. How does he know I don't have HIV or cancer and am very immuno-compromised and am literally trying to stay alive? He makes a lot of presumptions.
#3 - I thought the word "sheeple" meant going along with the public opinion, in which now I am in the minority wearing my mask, so therefore I'm not a "sheeple."
#4 - What is wrong with our society that people feel it is ok to verbally express negative comments to random strangers in public places? "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Is that no longer a thing?
I really worry about the increased angst in our society. For the most part, I just want to live my life and do my thing. I could care less what others say behind my back but now I need to worry about what others say to my face? Something is wrong with that.....
The problem is tribalism and the insecure people that join tribes. Both sides are so caught up in their need for association and group think that they must parrot talking points and take sides to feel important. Anyone exhibiting independent thought or self-choice is suspect. They cannot trust you if you have not chosen a side and then act in accordance with your team's publicly accepted norms.
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Similar in LA. But a lot of these fools were doing it the whole time, even outdoors and alone in their cars. The brainwashing is deep.
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zxcvcvxz wrote:
At 1600 deaths per million of COVID, Washington State is just over 50% of the national average, which is just about to hit 3,000 deaths per million, and 993,000 deaths overall, according to Worldometer. I'd say that Washington State has done quite well for a state that was the first in the nation to be hit by COVID.
Please show me the evidence that the masks have anything to do with outcomes by using age-adjusted data and comparing with places that didn’t mandate masks. THEN compare the overall costs of anti-covid measures (including depression, suicide, addiction, anxiety, lower living standards, inflation, etc) to their benefits. Only then can you start to say any of this was worthwhile. On the topic of ‘solutions’ that do more harm than good, what’s going on with the massive (as high as 40% 2019-2021) jump in non-covid deaths for work-aged people that was reported by a big insurance company in USA. And why was an executive at a German insurer fired for reporting similar data?
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Free_the_thigh wrote:
No people wearing them doesn’t effect me, but I still think people are stupid for wearing them.
Mixing up affect/effect while calling people stupid...Glass houses bro.
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Pen Barkes wrote:
I read the first link you shared and it was completely worthless. It didn't show any statistics proving that mask mandates reduced the spread of the virus. The very fact that you post nonsense like this shows you lack critical thinking:
"The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts"
You do realise that literally says laboratory and clinical contexts. This has nothing to do with real world application.
Much more relevant are real world studies such as last summer when England dropped their mask mandate and Scotland did not (also Scotland maintained a few other restrictions). By your logic, it's unquestionable that England would have higher covid rates than Scotland during this period, right? Well no, actually you'd be dead wrong. It was the reverse. This is actual proof that masks don't work in a wider setting.
If this isn't proof enough for you, then look at the various studies of school enforcing mask mandates compared to those that didn't. You'll find the exact same conclusion. Here is one such study:
I won't bother reading what you've said about vaccines, since what you've said about masks has been a waste of time. No reasonable person believes the vaccine is stopping transmission. Omicron has made a joke out of that argument.
Thank you for your reply. I found it largely worthless and lacking critical thinking. It's probably due to a tendency to not "bother reading" what was provided.
From the first study, indeed we can see that it is difficult to obtain "real world" data, mainly because mask mandates aren't the only variable, and the other ones need to be controlled.
But the second link I gave pointed to some real world "epidemiological" data:
"Out in the real world, many epidemiologists have examined the impact of masking and mask policies to see if masks help slow the spread of COVID-19. One observational study – meaning it was not a controlled study with people wearing or not wearing masks – published in late 2020 looked at demographics, testing, lockdowns and mask-wearing in 196 countries. The researchers found that after controlling for other factors, countries with cultural norms or policies that supported mask-wearing saw weekly per capita coronavirus mortality increase 16% during outbreaks, compared with a 62% weekly increase in countries without mask-wearing norms."
It also described the author's own study in the real world of Bangledesh involving "341,126 adults in 600 villages in rural Bangladesh" and found that "Mask-wearing reduced COVID-19" and also concurred "The body of evidence supports masks".
Your England/Scotland and Lansing school anecdotes fail to indicate other factors like mask wearing compliance, social distancing compliance, and vaccination rates. It also doesn't describe the kids habits when they are not in school, or whether the local mandates made a local difference.
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EZ10Miler wrote:
I could careless if people wear a mask. I'm really against the mask mandates.
If you could care less, that means you care, right? As in, you have to care enough about something to even be able to care less about it. By contrast, if you didn't care about something, it would be impossible to care any less because you already don't care. But if you've indicated you COULD care less, we the readers are totally unclear on what exact amount you care? Do you care a little? Do you care a lot? Either way, you COULD care less. Please help us out and clarify how much you care if people wear a mask as your statement is clearly very vague.
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Like they say, ”rope, tree, journalists..” except when you are talking about the stalwart
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There are numerous studies that have shown massive benefits in reducing covid cases (especially pre-omicron) and deaths from consistent mask use. That is an established scientific fact. The 993k U.S. deaths from COVID were most of the increased mortality. States with anomalous death rates in the South appear to have had more excess deaths unattributed to COVID, suggesting that they suppressed COVID as cause of death more often.
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Or, another way, Sweden let COVID free for a good deal of time and has about 1789 deaths per million, while its close physical/cultural neighbors in Scandinavia, who all emphasized masks and distancing had half the death rate in Denmark, 1/4 in Finland, and 1/6 in Norway across the border.
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sheeple wrote:
I still feel most comfortable wearing my mask when in public indoor places, even though I'm now in the minority as about 75% do not wear masks in public anymore.
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#2 - This man doesn't know my health history or anything about me really. How does he know I don't have HIV or cancer and am very immuno-compromised and am literally trying to stay alive? He makes a lot of presumptions.
Those things aren't as significant as comorbidities as people think, but if you're deathly afraid a common virus, you shouldn't be in that crowded store at all, and if you must, it better be a properly sized and tightly worn N95 (if it's comfortable to wear, you're doing it wrong).
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runnerboy70 wrote:
jamin wrote:
As you probably know, most leftists/liberals are filled with irrational fears.
While the large majority of right-wingers have zero understanding of science, their heads being filled with sawdust, greed and a failure to show respect towards anybody who might not agree with their nasty, selfish view of the world.
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zxcvcvxz wrote:
At 1600 deaths per million of COVID, Washington State is just over 50% of the national average, which is just about to hit 3,000 deaths per million, and 993,000 deaths overall, according to Worldometer. I'd say that Washington State has done quite well for a state that was the first in the nation to be hit by COVID.
Dishonest numbers. Extremely overstated on purpose to push an agenda.
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RE: Ality wrote:
sheeple wrote:
I am in a state where the mask mandate was lifted a couple of weeks ago. I am very normal and healthy person but I still feel most comfortable wearing my mask when in public indoor places, even though I'm now in the minority as about 75% do not wear masks in public anymore.
I feel that it has probably helped me stave off a few colds over the last two years and what does it matter. It is my choice and I choose to wear a mask (just like a choose to wear a baseball hat).
Yesterday, when at the grocery store, I walked by an unmasked older man who was shopping with his mother. I hear him say "sheeple" somewhat quietly in my direction. I turned to look at him and his mother states "don't embarrass me" in which he responds to his mother "I just can't help it."
I continue my stare at him as he walks away saying "sheeple, sheeple, sheeple."
Now, I'm not sure what this man's objective is, but a couple things stood out to me:
#1 - How am I in any way bothering this man or his mother that he has to engage me? What does he really care?
#2 - This man doesn't know my health history or anything about me really. How does he know I don't have HIV or cancer and am very immuno-compromised and am literally trying to stay alive? He makes a lot of presumptions.
#3 - I thought the word "sheeple" meant going along with the public opinion, in which now I am in the minority wearing my mask, so therefore I'm not a "sheeple."
#4 - What is wrong with our society that people feel it is ok to verbally express negative comments to random strangers in public places? "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Is that no longer a thing?
I really worry about the increased angst in our society. For the most part, I just want to live my life and do my thing. I could care less what others say behind my back but now I need to worry about what others say to my face? Something is wrong with that.....
The problem is tribalism and the insecure people that join tribes. Both sides are so caught up in their need for association and group think that they must parrot talking points and take sides to feel important. Anyone exhibiting independent thought or self-choice is suspect. They cannot trust you if you have not chosen a side and then act in accordance with your team's publicly accepted norms.
The elites have used the median to push this. The old divide and conquer routine to keep the focus of the real enemy -- the ruling class
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Hardloper wrote:
sheeple wrote:
I still feel most comfortable wearing my mask when in public indoor places, even though I'm now in the minority as about 75% do not wear masks in public anymore.
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#2 - This man doesn't know my health history or anything about me really. How does he know I don't have HIV or cancer and am very immuno-compromised and am literally trying to stay alive? He makes a lot of presumptions.
Those things aren't as significant as comorbidities as people think, but if you're deathly afraid a common virus, you shouldn't be in that crowded store at all, and if you must, it better be a properly sized and tightly worn N95 (if it's comfortable to wear, you're doing it wrong).
Again, I think you miss my point. Who are you (or the random man in the store) to tell me what I should or shouldn't be doing, especially when it doesn't have any effect on you???
Also, you do understand that I was using comfort as my state of mental well-being, not necessarily my physical comfort.
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carmine9 wrote:
The elites have used the median to push this. The old divide and conquer routine to keep the focus off the real enemy -- the ruling classI'm on team life jacket.
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carmine9 wrote:
Do you stay 6 feet away from perfectly healthy people too?
I don't know if OP is perfectly healthy or not. But I want to stay 6 feet away from him.
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carmine9 wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
They are not sneezing or coughing.
On the other hand, we can be afraid of everyone we encounter. I won't do that...you can
I do a lot of things in life to manage risk. As do you.
I bet some of the things you do to manage risk would make me laugh. Same can be said for me.As a whole, I don’t want to be within 6 feet of someone I don’t know. Imagine hovering over them while trying to pick the right pasta sauce or something 😂
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The only thing certain about mask mandates is that people like jamin will still be complaining about them for the next 20 years and in the next pandemic as well.
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