I am wrote:
Then he would have a different name. Who is buried in Grant's tomb?
The General and Mrs. Grant.
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An American is someone who is or was born on either American continent! So yes Canadians are also Americans
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realamerican wrote:
Athlete Lineage wrote:
Grant Fischer was born Canadian, not American
I'm sure there might be some Canadian Grant Fischers, but Grant Fisher's mother is a US citizen. Thus, he is a natural-born US citizen regardless of the location where he is born. A person would be born American if either or both parents are US citizens even if the mom gave birth on the International Space Station, the moon, or Mars.
My mother was a US citizen (natural born even as her Mom and grandfather were US citizens) when I was born, and I was not a natural born US citizen. I had to be naturalized after getting a green card. The rules are way more complicated than people think.
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lii wrote:
malmo wrote:
Salazar isn't native American. Shorter is. So is Grant Fisher. The law is simple. Don't they teach civics anymore?
Fisher is not a "natural born Citizen" as required by Article II of the US constitution. This is generally understood to mean born on US soil. As any Canadian will tell you, Calgary is not that.
Its easy enough to look up. But you won't.
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Are you an idiot.......
Canada is American ..
..... share thee same NORTH AMERICAN continent .....
DUHHHHH
IF YOU MEAN TO SAY USA
THEN SAY USA .... IDIOT!!!!
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Exceptionz wrote:
realamerican wrote:
I'm sure there might be some Canadian Grant Fischers, but Grant Fisher's mother is a US citizen. Thus, he is a natural-born US citizen regardless of the location where he is born. A person would be born American if either or both parents are US citizens even if the mom gave birth on the International Space Station, the moon, or Mars.
My mother was a US citizen (natural born even as her Mom and grandfather were US citizens) when I was born, and I was not a natural born US citizen. I had to be naturalized after getting a green card. The rules are way more complicated than people think.
Makes no sense. Consular Report of Birth Abroad would tick the box.
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Exceptionz wrote:
realamerican wrote:
I'm sure there might be some Canadian Grant Fischers, but Grant Fisher's mother is a US citizen. Thus, he is a natural-born US citizen regardless of the location where he is born. A person would be born American if either or both parents are US citizens even if the mom gave birth on the International Space Station, the moon, or Mars.
My mother was a US citizen (natural born even as her Mom and grandfather were US citizens) when I was born, and I was not a natural born US citizen. I had to be naturalized after getting a green card. The rules are way more complicated than people think.
What year were you born and how old was your mother at the time of your birth? The only way what you’re saying seems possible is if your mother was under 21 when you were born and wasn’t old enough to transfer her citizenship to you at the time of your birth.
This was one of the BS theories about Obama’s eligibility because even though his mother was American, the fact that she was 18 and not 21 or older at the time of his birth meant that, had he not been born in the US, he wouldn’t have been an automatic US citizen under the rules in place at the time.
But neither of those apply to Fisher so he’s been a natural born citizen of the US his whole life.
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Athlete Lineage wrote:
Wikipedia shows Grant Fisher is Canadian-born, meaning he is not native to America. Since LetsRun likes to call out every East African born American, it is only fair for them to call out Grant Fisher as not being born in America.
Grant Fisher (USA) - 2024 OLY 10,000m Bronze - Born in Canada
Paul Chelimo (USA) - 2020 OLY 5000m Bronze - Born in Kenya
Paul Chelimo (USA) - 2016 OLY 5000m Silver - Born in Kenya
Morolake Akinosun (USA) - 2016 OLY 4x100m Gold - Born in Nigeria
Kerron Clement (USA) - 2016 OLY 400mH Gold - Born in Trinidad
Leonel Manzano (USA) - 2012 OLY 1500m Silver - Born in Mexico
Sanya Richards-Ross (USA) - 2012 OLY 400m Gold - Born in Jamaica
Sanya Richards-Ross (USA) - 2012 OLY 4x400m Gold - Born in Jamaica
Kerron Clement (USA) - 2008 OLY 400mH Silver - Born in Trinidad
Kerron Clement (USA) - 2008 OLY 4x400m Gold - Born in Trinidad
Sanya Richards-Ross (USA) - 2008 OLY 400m Bronze - Born in Jamaica
Sanya Richards-Ross (USA) - 2008 OLY 4x400m Gold - Born in Jamaica
Meb Keflezighi (USA) - 2004 OLY Marathon Silver - Born in Ethiopia
Sanya Richards-Ross (USA) - 2004 OLY 4x400m Gold - Born in Jamaica
This is nothing new, so if you're going to fling crap at Fisher's medal, I hope you're willing to give up all these U.S. OLY medals too
Next we can talk about Mo Farah, Marcell Jacobs, Sifan Hassan, Lornah Salpeter, Zola Budd, Abdi Abdirahman, Khalid Khannouchi, Bernard Lagat, Lornah Kiplagat, Sydney Maree, Zharnell Hughes, Sam Parsons, Yasmin Can, Tadesse Abraham, etc etc etc this has been happening in multiple countries forever40 -
Canadian ? He's practically British then . Rule Britannia !
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I think you missed the boat on this one -- Gault's articles always reference where these athletes were born but his 10k recap from yesterday didn't include where Grant was born. Nobody is saying Grant isn't American or to give the medal back. We can appreciate the result & cheer for the athlete, recognizing how our families came to this country, without harping on birthplace. It's a choice to constantly include where non-white American athletes were born & then not do the same here. None of it matters but I don't think LRC needs to harp on where athletes were born, almost like they're less than. But LRC set the precedent so why not a line saying where Grant was born?
I think it was when Meb won the Boston Marathon that the article referred to him as an Eritrean. Either that or it originally didn't celebrate it as an American victory. It was eventually corrected. We all come here because we love running & can appreciate good performances. Grant's run was fantastic. It doesn't matter where he was born but you better believe if a medal was won by a Dutch athlete that immigrated there from an African nation they would be written about as the "Kenyan born" Dutch athlete. Who cares.
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As always, let’s run is just a garbage place. why this thread is still up is beyond me
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malmo wrote:
lii wrote:
Fisher is not a "natural born Citizen" as required by Article II of the US constitution. This is generally understood to mean born on US soil. As any Canadian will tell you, Calgary is not that.
Its easy enough to look up. But you won't.
I looked it up in the US constitution. Beyond that, the only sources that matter would be court decisions on the issue. As far as I know, there are none on point.
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Malmo is wrong, lii is right. Grant Fisher is not considered a "natural born" American by
§ 1401 legal definition. Fisher is a foreign born CANADIAN and would not be allowed to run for President. Accept it.
The Constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning. There is some uncertainty over whether a person that is born outside the U.S. but still becomes a citizen at birth through a statute is a natural born citizen. One example is U.S. citizenship that immediately passes from the person's parents.Today, 8 U.S.C. § 1101 defines naturalization as “conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.” In contrast, § 1401 lists eight categories of peoples who are "nationals and citizens of the United States at birth," including those born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction, as well as children of one or more U.S. citizens abroad as long as the parent(s) meet certain requirements. This means that foreign-born citizens falling under a provision in 1401 are, by statutory definition, not naturalized. The term "natural born" is not used, however.
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Yaffaddy Washington wrote:
Exceptionz wrote:
My mother was a US citizen (natural born even as her Mom and grandfather were US citizens) when I was born, and I was not a natural born US citizen. I had to be naturalized after getting a green card. The rules are way more complicated than people think.
Makes no sense. Consular Report of Birth Abroad would tick the box.
If I were born on or after 11/14/86, I'd be a natural born citizen. See "Child Born Abroad in Wedlock to a US Citizen and an Alien." My Mom was physically present in the US for only 8 or 9 years prior to my birth as opposed to the requisite 10. They changed the rule to 5 years in '86. I missed out on some international HS and College trips because my parents assumed I'd automatically be a US citizen and could get a US passport. Original country situation would've been too complicated (renewal of well expired passport plus visas up the wazoo). My best friend liked to joke that he had INS on speed dial if I pissed him off.
Parents met, lived, and got married in the US, and decided to move to my original country a year before I was born, but we all moved back 10 years later.
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Frant Gisher wrote:
Athlete Lineage wrote:
Wikipedia shows Grant Fisher is Canadian-born, meaning he is not native to America. Since LetsRun likes to call out every East African born American, it is only fair for them to call out Grant Fisher as not being born in America.
He was born in North America, do you mean the United States?
Which one would that be? The United States of America, or Estados Unidos Mexicanos? I don't think I need to translate that for you do I?
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
What year were you born and how old was your mother at the time of your birth? The only way what you’re saying seems possible is if your mother was under 21 when you were born and wasn’t old enough to transfer her citizenship to you at the time of your birth.
This was one of the BS theories about Obama’s eligibility because even though his mother was American, the fact that she was 18 and not 21 or older at the time of his birth meant that, had he not been born in the US, he wouldn’t have been an automatic US citizen under the rules in place at the time.
But neither of those apply to Fisher so he’s been a natural born citizen of the US his whole life.
My mother was 29. See above. I'm guessing very few people are familiar with these rules.
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Athlete Lineage wrote:
Wikipedia shows Grant Fisher is Canadian-born, meaning he is not native to America. Since LetsRun likes to call out every East African born American, it is only fair for them to call out Grant Fisher as not being born in America.
Newsflash: Canada is part of America (the Americas). I think you mean he was not born in the US.
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This is because your mom never registered your birth with the local embassy, not because you weren't eligible for citizenship.
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As someone with dual citizenship, he chooses to compete for the team that has a deeper talent pool and is harder to make. What is there to complain about? People are always complaining about dual citizen Americans who choose to compete for Sweden (Mondo), Greece (Pappas), Germany (Parsons), etc.
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