Docs and scientists of letsrun, please read this article and tell me if what he is writing about Covid-19 treatment is fake news

Rojo,

Why? Seriously, why? Why do you entertain such nonsense, and yes, asking the question here is entertaining nonsense.

I am glad that you are vaxxed, but bringing up stuff like this gives credence to nonsense.

Also, why ask questions of people here? I know you asked for doctors and scientists, but people can lie about that, and you are getting a ton of responses for non-science people too (including me). My wife, who went to graduate school at Stanford for Immunology and worked for Tony Fauci, is pulling her hair out at questions like the one you just asked. My sister, who is a research scientist, does also, as does my Ph.D. in pharmacology Brother...these are people I respect and listen to along with Tony Fauci.

If you have questions, who not go to the CDC or the NIH or your doctor or even the FDA for answers?

Here are some answers to FAQs:

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#:~:text=On%20October%2022%2C%202020,%2D19%20requiring%20hospitalization

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I'll pull out some stuff for you and anyone who won't read it:

Valid approved treatments (treatment used is based on needs of patient) - there may be some others, but this is what I found with a quick scan of the above link and then links from it:

* Veklury (remdesivir)

* anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) tixagevimab plus cilgavimab (Evusheld)

* ritonavir-boosted nirmatrelvir (Paxlovid) and molnupiravir

* Sotrovimab

Effective Preventatives are:

Vaccines (by far the most effective for people who are out and about in the world)

Wearing a mask, preferably an N95 or KN95

Social Distancing

This isn't difficult. There is no magic treatment or drug that does the job better (or at all) than vaccines. It's bizarre that people keep looking for one. Good thing people didn't do this en masse with Smallpox.

rojo wrote:

And most importantly if it's so obviously false, please provide a reason why so I can write back to the guy who sent it to me. He knows I'm triple vaxxed - h e's not and is sending it to me to probably justify his not being vaxxed.

Rojo,

The studies aren't what Dr. Kory are making them out to be. The fancy graphic showing treatments as beneficial look impressive. Until you click on and search each individual study. Then his scheme falls apart.

Many of the studies conclude the opposite of what he says. For 'benefits' of ivermectin he often picks one small marker that improves, ignoring the bigger more important ones that don't. For a lot of the studies, he claims improvement, when there is no statistical improvement. As an example, in one study, 1 less person died in the ivermectin group, but the problem is only like 5 people died in total (3 control, 2 ivermectin). So he claims a 30+% improvement based on ivermectin, when any rational person would understand that is certainly NOT what anyone should conclude.

Kory is counting on people not investigating further or not understanding. He is distracting with a shiny science looking object. That falls apart under any inspection.

It's purely a scam.

I have been following what I consider brilliant minds and don't wish to argue with anyone, but I find this interesting.

https://covid19up.org/ivermectin/

I have been following John Dees Almanac on substack and his website. It is good to just have someone look at all the data objectively. Robert Malone makes a lot of sense and Mattias Desmet on Mass Formation. This is all intertwined.

In the end, we all can decide who we think is best representing the plethora of data and published data circulating out there. Interesting data out of Qatar.

Carry on.

Sundew wrote:

I have been following what I consider brilliant minds and don't wish to argue with anyone, but I find this interesting.

https://covid19up.org/ivermectin/

I have been following John Dees Almanac on substack and his website. It is good to just have someone look at all the data objectively. Robert Malone makes a lot of sense and Mattias Desmet on Mass Formation. This is all intertwined.

In the end, we all can decide who we think is best representing the plethora of data and published data circulating out there. Interesting data out of Qatar.

Carry on.

None of the names you listed give objective reviews of the studies that they reference.

Flagpole wrote:

If you have questions, who not go to the CDC or the NIH or your doctor or even the FDA for answers?

Valid approved treatments (treatment used is based on needs of patient) - there may be some others, but this is what I found with a quick scan of the above link and then links from it:

* Veklury (remdesivir)

* anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) tixagevimab plus cilgavimab (Evusheld)

* ritonavir-boosted nirmatrelvir (Paxlovid) and molnupiravir

* Sotrovimab

Effective Preventatives are:

Vaccines (by far the most effective for people who are out and about in the world)

Wearing a mask, preferably an N95 or KN95

Social Distancing

This isn't difficult. There is no magic treatment or drug that does the job better (or at all) than vaccines. It's bizarre that people keep looking for one. Good thing people didn't do this en masse with Smallpox.

Bro, comparing smallpox and Covid shows just how in over your head you are. Smallpox didn’t have animal reservoirs and was a much slower mutater than Covid, so a pervasive vaccine strategy made sense to eradicate it. Did your Stanford-immunology trained wife give you that example? Also, there wouldn’t be so much reticence toward the Covid vaccines if they were traditional, attenuated viral vaccines.

Nobody cares about credentials. Some of the “smartest” people actually aren’t that smart, and certainly that is true of doctors. The CDC keeps changing its guidance, which is politically motivated. Does that reinforce their credibility for you, because it surely doesn’t for me? The FDA is inextricably intertwined with many board members for these vaccine manufacturers. It is very incestuous and should give you pause. Two of their top officials quit because they couldn’t get behind the boosters. Hmmm…

I believe Dr. Kory treated members of Congress. Why would they allow this if they were suspicious of him and his protocol? They have access to inside information well before the public (and they often trade on it). My own doctor, who really is brilliant and obtained a PhD in physics from Duke before he attended medical school, is the first one who brought IVM to my attention. EVERY single person I know who has taken it, some extremely high risk, has merely had a mild cold all through the Delta wave.

I have now been through Delta (bad for three days) and Omicron (one off day, pretty dang mild). I treated myself borrowing from protocols designed by MDs who dared to ask the question EARLY of what can we be doing to treat sick patients besides Remdesivir from day eight on (hospital protocol but totally useless once the viral replication phase is complete and very hepatotoxic) and oxygen? Doctors who were brave enough to practice the art of medicine and risk their licenses in the process. Brave men and women who saved lives.

You are CORRECT now about treatments including Mabs and protease inhibitors. But those weren’t available until recently. I am fully on board with the low-hanging fruit getting the vaccine (elderly, obese with comorbidities, etc) but not the young and not the healthy. A nuanced approach was what was needed where some of us could self treat and cultivate our own immunity such that it could see all of the epitopes of the virus, not just the S antigen.

I have training in immunology. Ask your expert wife how my bout with Delta and then Omicron (which was nothing) isn’t at least as effective as the two vaccine plus booster protocol. Again, if this really were polio with a high kill rate or that frequently maimed children, the public response would be much different. But it just isn’t even close. You have no idea what the long term side consequences of the vaccine are, even with billions of data points over a short period of time. Ten years of testing in vitro, in ferrets, and in small groups of humans not including children is hardly ten years of safety data.

Lastly, everyone I know, who is triple vaxxed seems to be getting the sickest right now with this Omicron wave, including several colleagues and my own mother. All of my unvaxxed friends haven’t suffered w Omicron at all, and they’ve never stopped living their lives. It’s fascinating.

Sundew wrote:

I have been following what I consider brilliant minds and don't wish to argue with anyone, but I find this interesting.

https://covid19up.org/ivermectin/

I have been following John Dees Almanac on substack and his website. It is good to just have someone look at all the data objectively. Robert Malone makes a lot of sense and Mattias Desmet on Mass Formation. This is all intertwined.

In the end, we all can decide who we think is best representing the plethora of data and published data circulating out there. Interesting data out of Qatar.

Carry on.

Stop spreading disinformation and misinformation.

Thanks.

1) The comparison is how people reacted to vaccines against a deadly virus, not a comparison of Smallpox to COVID.

2) The anti-vaxxers were against ANY COVID vaccine, including the J&J vector one.

3) Nobody cares about credentials? Yeah, that's kind of the problem today.

4) Your fear/concern about the CDC and the FDA is unfounded and bogus.

5) The rest of what you say there is just anti-vaxxer politically-motivated right-wing garbage based on ignorance.

It is flat out CRAP. No doctor or scientist with any credibility is recommending Ivermectin to treat COVID.

Sundew wrote:

I have been following what I consider brilliant minds and don't wish to argue with anyone, but I find this interesting.

https://covid19up.org/ivermectin/

I have been following John Dees Almanac on substack and his website. It is good to just have someone look at all the data objectively. Robert Malone makes a lot of sense and Mattias Desmet on Mass Formation. This is all intertwined.

In the end, we all can decide who we think is best representing the plethora of data and published data circulating out there. Interesting data out of Qatar.

Carry on.

Garbage.

Hey Flagpole,

I know you're on record as saying that it's possible to get vaxxed and there would be no reason to believe that you'd ever get Covid. Have you changed your stance on this? Are you now on the Endemic bandwagon?

Anyway, here's another Doctor for you to throw up all over (except that he's a pro vaxxer):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QyV6trMPvs

i wish this thread would get the late-term abortion it so deserves

Great post. I'm sending it to my friend. That's what I was looking for. I loved point #4.

1) I'm not sure if I posted this or in another thread. The reason why i don't go to my doctor is neither my doctor nor my son's doctor are inquisitive at all. A few weeks ago, my son's pediatrician literally had no idea that the vaccine trials for kids 2-5 had failed on two low level shots and they were going to try a third shot and there is no chance it's approved until at least March.

Rojo,

Why? Seriously, why? Why do you entertain such nonsense, and yes, asking the question here is entertaining nonsense.

I am glad that you are vaxxed, but bringing up stuff like this gives credence to nonsense.

Also, why ask questions of people here? I know you asked for doctors and scientists, but people can lie about that, and you are getting a ton of responses for non-science people too (including me). My wife, who went to graduate school at Stanford for Immunology and worked for Tony Fauci, is pulling her hair out at questions like the one you just asked. My sister, who is a research scientist, does also, as does my Ph.D. in pharmacology Brother...these are people I respect and listen to along with Tony Fauci.

I know the virus is changing but I don't like how they talk down to us and act like we aren't smart enough to know the truth.

wow, as i nearly fell off my chair as my friend might be sending me fake news and i dont have a LOT or a TON of time to research it myself

ofa lon teh

Ok I sent the long 7 point post from the tenured professor mentioned a few posts ago to my unvaxxed friend and his vaxxed wife. His wife who has a masters in statistics and works at a think tank trying to help the poor with healthcare wrote back.. I want ot share it with everyone as it's pretty interesting. Remind you, she's vaxxed.

So basically she's a lot like me on this. She's vaxxed but knows the media and hospitals/big pharma almost always have agendas (media wants to act like everything is a crisis, hospitals/big pharma want to make money) clouding their work.

rojo wrote:

I know the virus is changing but I don't like how they talk down to us and act like we aren't smart enough to know the truth.

For the record, the thread topic is your request for persons with unverifiable credentials to determine for you the truth of certain information.

you say: "...the media and hospitals/big pharma almost always have agendas (media wants to act like everything is a crisis, hospitals/big pharma want to make money) clouding their work"

Why do i feel more than anything else in this regard, esp. since there has been so much already posted on this thread about what a bad analysis this is:

that ultimately, the real take-away is that LRC message board has an agenda (wants to act like there is any credibility to things that are not supported or proven, and wants to make money via clicks and eyeball counts)?

Normally I would just pass this off as disappointing. But amidst a global health pandemic, with so much misinformation proliferating, I don't take it as lightly.

I’m not sure what point she’s trying to make. Follow the science and not the media. Ivermectin does not work based on the best available data. She concedes as much, so why does it matter that some media reports referred to it as a “dewormer?” Your so offended by this characterization that your going to go ahead and use it to prove a point? Your anger at the messenger overcomes your reason?

As for the hospitalizations, things have evolved with omicron. Prior to omicron at most 10-15% of the hospitalizations had incidental Covid, now that number is more likely 30-50%. However, it’s NOT straightforward to figure this out and to the extent that being hospitalized with or for Covid matters, there is a lot of gray area. Below is a responsible summary from some of my colleagues. Yes, it’s in WaPo, but they are scientists and not “the media.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/07/hospitalization-covid-statistics-incidental/

Love all those smokers diabetics and obeasties telling everyone to get vaxxed for their safety, lo freaking l