BYU is a joke - Two 24-yr old BYU athletes won 2021 NCAA XC

DantesShadow wrote:

Ostritch wrote:

They are not Christian. To be considered Christian hold to Trinitarian Theology which Mormons do not. They worship a false christ and a false lord. Those who deny the Trinity are anathema.

Seems like you have confused the term Christian with Trinitarian.

From Britanica's article on Christianity: "At its most basic, Christianity is the faith tradition that focuses on the figure of Jesus Christ"

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christianity

You may have a differing views on Christ than them, but they clearly have a focus on Jesus Christ from the name of their church: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the subtitle of the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Christ

when you believe in ridiculous silly superstitions dont be mad when someone else comes up with another ridiculous silly superstition.. once you toss out reality it's game dude.

…in which case, it makes his recent results even more impressive as he is a Masters runner.

NotPC wrote:

DantesShadow wrote:

Seems like you have confused the term Christian with Trinitarian.

From Britanica's article on Christianity: "At its most basic, Christianity is the faith tradition that focuses on the figure of Jesus Christ"

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christianity

You may have a differing views on Christ than them, but they clearly have a focus on Jesus Christ from the name of their church: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the subtitle of the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Christ

when you believe in ridiculous silly superstitions dont be mad when someone else comes up with another ridiculous silly superstition.. once you toss out reality it's game dude.

Christianity was founded by Jesus, or if you like the 12 Apostles of Jesus. There were thousands of witnesses to the things that occurred 2000 years ago. The LDS church was founded by Joseph Smith and we pretty much just have Joseph Smith's word for what occurred perhaps along with the 8 who claimed to see the golden plates. You can categorize them both as ridiculous silly superstitions if you'd like, but Christianity has a much more solid basis than the LDS Church.

Why do the mods keep allowing threads like this to pop up? They're repetitive, lack original thought, and they all devolve into people trashing a specific religion.

@rojo

@wejo

Hey OP I know you graduated early and you say you would have been ashamed to compete at 24 . But let me tell you something , if you really had the potential to win such a major championship you would have done it even if you were 26 . You are just jealous deep within , let it go , it's not healthy .

Jim Ryun set world records at 19 and 20 and then

everyoneisdoping wrote:

this is a joke wrote:

She’s 24. Did she graduate hs at 20 then?

Shes a covid redshirt sr.. Like the rest of the field.

No mission for her.

She's doing what ever other senior is doing...

This. There's literally no difference between her and the rest of the field.

great thread wrote:

Why do the mods keep allowing threads like this to pop up? They're repetitive, lack original thought, and they all devolve into people trashing a specific religion.

@rojo

@wejo

Also, this. A lot of bigots in this thread.

The top 3 Minnesota women graduated the same year as her and they are all in their Covid eligibility year also.

asdfghj1 wrote:

Christianity was founded by Jesus, or if you like the 12 Apostles of Jesus. The LDS church was founded by Joseph Smith...Christianity has a much more solid basis than the LDS Church.

This would be a valid argument if "Christianity" was a single religion. It's not. It's an umbrella term that describes all Christ-centered religions, under which, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints fits under.

It would also be a valid argument if put Martin Luther (Lutherans), John Calvin (Calvinists), John Smith (Baptists), John Wesley (Methodists), George Fox (Quakers), etc. in the same category. Using your argument, they have no solid 'basis'.

Don't be a bigot who takes himself too seriously. Let people live their lives. Let them believe what they want to believe. We're all in this together.

this is a joke wrote:

I understand they have to take a year off to do their religious stuff but being 24 is a massive advantage in distance running. You are no where near your peak when you are 20-22. What an embarrassment to see two 24 year olds from BYU take the cross titles.

Probably the dumbest argument one can have. There are high schoolers running sub 14 for 5k. It doesn't matter where your peak is, it matters where you are at during the race.

Also, anyone is allowed to redshirt. It's always been a thing.

Lastly, one could argue that 24 isn't the peak for distance runners.

Vineyard Vines wrote:

At age 24, I had graduated college, obtained a Master's Degree, and taken a management position in Information Technology.

Were your times better?

The Truth Hurts wrote:

asdfghj1 wrote:

Christianity was founded by Jesus, or if you like the 12 Apostles of Jesus. The LDS church was founded by Joseph Smith...Christianity has a much more solid basis than the LDS Church.

This would be a valid argument if "Christianity" was a single religion. It's not. It's an umbrella term that describes all Christ-centered religions, under which, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints fits under.

It would also be a valid argument if put Martin Luther (Lutherans), John Calvin (Calvinists), John Smith (Baptists), John Wesley (Methodists), George Fox (Quakers), etc. in the same category. Using your argument, they have no solid 'basis'.

Don't be a bigot who takes himself too seriously. Let people live their lives. Let them believe what they want to believe. We're all in this together.

Bravo. I used to be like that. Out of H.S. I started condescending every believer as if I knew better. Eventually I realized that I was just a terribly arrogant asshat. Now I've settled down with good old fashioned agnosticism, especially since I learned through philosophy that there are strong logical arguments for the existence of a "God."

The Truth Hurts wrote:

asdfghj1 wrote:

Christianity was founded by Jesus, or if you like the 12 Apostles of Jesus. The LDS church was founded by Joseph Smith...Christianity has a much more solid basis than the LDS Church.

This would be a valid argument if "Christianity" was a single religion. It's not. It's an umbrella term that describes all Christ-centered religions, under which, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints fits under.

It would also be a valid argument if put Martin Luther (Lutherans), John Calvin (Calvinists), John Smith (Baptists), John Wesley (Methodists), George Fox (Quakers), etc. in the same category. Using your argument, they have no solid 'basis'.

Don't be a bigot who takes himself too seriously. Let people live their lives. Let them believe what they want to believe. We're all in this together.

The difference is none of those guys came with an extra book in addition to the Bible like the Book of Mormon. They each emphasized certain theological aspects of the New Testament, however, shared the common core belief in salvation by faith in Christ and not by works. Mormons add off the wall things like aliens and multiple wives, which have no New Testament Biblical basis. Thus why they’re viewed by those Christian denominations as a cult.

nope wrote:

Vineyard Vines wrote:

At age 24, I had graduated college, obtained a Master's Degree, and taken a management position in Information Technology.

Were your times better?

Nope.

I just find it odd that people are 24 or 25 and still working on their undergrad degree, and in this case, didn't even take time off for a mission. Apparently this is common now? Graduating at 25?

Sweet dude. Thank you.

I know Whitni did not do a mission so this does not apply to her.

But I'm really tired of hearing all this "these guys can't run a step for two years unless their partner is handcuffed to them."

How do we know this is true or enforced? I don't trust religions and I don't trust kids between the age of 18 and 24. I broke a ton of rules/laws at that age and some folks probably thought I was a good christian kid.

At the end of the day I don't really care, I just wish I didn't have to hear about anyone's religion anymore.

College age competitors should be 17-22, no exceptions.

Want to compete outside those age ranges? Join you local high school or track club.

Removes any ambiguity.

There is no ambiguity today. Age is dumb because kids would age out the day before the national meet. And is the time f day that they were born or just the day? Stupid idea.