Who were tougher soldiers in WW2: Germans or Japanese?

See Papa Joe Stalin wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Shouldn't there be some kind of helmet to deal with those shock waves? Like one with springs inside so the outside gets shook and the inside stays still.

Have U.S. Army & U.S. Navy (for Marines and Sailors with Marines) discussed superior helmets? Helmets today are superior to helmets 80 or so years ago. Helmets today most likely will stop some bullets fired from some pistols. Helmets are basically for fragmentation protection from grenades, mortars and artillery if one is outside of immediate blast zone and protection from debris associated with blast. Helmets diminish ability to hear. Special forces guys rarely wear helmets because the risk of being killed by fragmentation is balanced by need to hear.

You don't know much about ACHs do you? Obviously never wore one.

All the pro-Germans posting here read this (among other things). Exposes Germans for who they are. (Available on A'zon).

https://www.historynet.com/book-review-why-the-germans-lose-at-war.htm

See Papa Joe Stalin wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Shouldn't there be some kind of helmet to deal with those shock waves? Like one with springs inside so the outside gets shook and the inside stays still.

Have U.S. Army & U.S. Navy (for Marines and Sailors with Marines) discussed superior helmets? Helmets today are superior to helmets 80 or so years ago. Helmets today most likely will stop some bullets fired from some pistols. Helmets are basically for fragmentation protection from grenades, mortars and artillery if one is outside of immediate blast zone and protection from debris associated with blast. Helmets diminish ability to hear. Special forces guys rarely wear helmets because the risk of being killed by fragmentation is balanced by need to hear.

This is right. The US Army designed the M-16 (CAR-15/Armalite) with the M193 55-gr. round to penetrate steel helmets of Soviet soldiers at 300m. Although the M-16/M-4 is not perfect, it is one of the best all-around service rifles ever made.

I found it! I was wrong in the above post. The M193 is incorrect. It is the M855 that was the round developed to knock out the massed hordes of Russian infantry in West and East Germany. The US and NATO was outnumbered 2.2:1. It was a miracle we DIDN'T fight them from 1975-1991!

Why did the military abandon the M193 in favor of the M855?

After the Vietnam War, relations between the U.S. and the Soviet Union continued to deteriorate. There was increasing concern about the M193’s inability to penetrate Soviet body armor or a Russian soldier’s helmet from several hundred yards.

Firearms manufacturer FN Herstal started working on a new NATO round, and, after years of testing, the United States officially adopted it and named it the M855 to replace the M193. But it wasn’t long before new concerns surfaced as the latest rounds were making clean holes in the enemy during the first Gulf War and in Somalia. The issue of straight-through holes continued until recently, when the military created and adopted the M8551A to address these issues.

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See Papa Joe Stalin wrote:

Have U.S. Army & U.S. Navy (for Marines and Sailors with Marines) discussed superior helmets? Helmets today are superior to helmets 80 or so years ago. Helmets today most likely will stop some bullets fired from some pistols. Helmets are basically for fragmentation protection from grenades, mortars and artillery if one is outside of immediate blast zone and protection from debris associated with blast. Helmets diminish ability to hear. Special forces guys rarely wear helmets because the risk of being killed by fragmentation is balanced by need to hear.

You don't know much about ACHs do you? Obviously never wore one.

Speak English. I am too old to understand military &/or defense contractor jargon. Was your daddy a weapons contactor? Are you are weapons contractor? Speak English so we all can understand.

After nearly 450 years of battling the invading Catholic Church, Europeans, and Americans, Japan and Asia won. Today Asia is free from Europe/USA occupation. Today China is rolling across Central Asia reminiscent of the Monghol Hordes on the way to conquering Russia, Persia, and Europe.

See Papa Joe Stalin wrote:

Speak English. I am too old to understand military &/or defense contractor jargon. Was your daddy a weapons contactor? Are you are weapons contractor? Speak English so we all can understand.

Like I said, you clearly do not know anything. Funny how you know all this "information" but you don't even know what an ACH is. Well, for your information, this is an ACH with 12 months' time in Iraq about 12 years ago.

I would expect that combat is terrifying for any human being and few soldiers are Rambo. During WW2, the lives of Soviet, German and Japanese soldiers had no value to their countries. The Japanese were not allowed to surrender, Hitler wanted his armies to fight to the last man and the Soviets strategy was to outbleed the Germans.

Time to delete this nonsense thread wrote:

See Papa Joe Stalin wrote:

Speak English. I am too old to understand military &/or defense contractor jargon. Was your daddy a weapons contactor? Are you are weapons contractor? Speak English so we all can understand.

Like I said, you clearly do not know anything. Funny how you know all this "information" but you don't even know what an ACH is. Well, for your information, this is an ACH with 12 months' time in Iraq about 12 years ago.

https://ibb.co/4MNcT2L

Translate A. C. H. Did you show me a kevlar helmet? Fine. Your time in Iraq most likely means you are younger than I am. When I was a kid, a little kid, I did not talk to Spanish American War vets in a disrespectful manner, telling them they do not know anything. When I was a high school & college student, I did not tell Great War/WW1 vets they did not know anything. When I was in my 40's, I did not tell WW2 vets they did not know anything. You know what you know but you still have failed to translate A. C. H. jargon to English.

I'm the one who brought up helmets, and helmets about stopping a shockwave from an explosion, not helmets for bullets and fragments to bounce off of.

We have plenty of the latter, but none of the former, apparently. The US got dozens of TBIs from the Iranian missile strike on their base in Iraq, even though they were tipped off and safe in bunkers below.

Now that everyone's got these massive missile arsenals, maybe a helmet to stop the brain from getting shook up by them is more important than close-range matters like bullets.

Bad Wigins wrote:

I'm the one who brought up helmets, and helmets about stopping a shockwave from an explosion, not helmets for bullets and fragments to bounce off of.

We have plenty of the latter, but none of the former, apparently. The US got dozens of TBIs from the Iranian missile strike on their base in Iraq, even though they were tipped off and safe in bunkers below.

Now that everyone's got these massive missile arsenals, maybe a helmet to stop the brain from getting shook up by them is more important than close-range matters like bullets.

I agree. Engineers and neurologists should work together and see if such a helmet can be designed. There are other important concerns for some U.S. infantry. U.S.M.C. amphibious tractors or informally amtracs are over 35 years old with outdated technology. They are relatively slow in water and very slow on land. Since they are so old, amtracs break down all the time. About 15 months ago, one sank off the coast of California, several men pinned inside drowned. I believe a U.S.M.C. colonel was relieved of his command. Secretary of Navy at the time and USN admirals should have been the ones to fall on their swords. To tie this back to this thread's topic, U.S. enlisted men in north Africa were as brave as anyone else, WW2.

Vietnamese were the toughest. 25 million Vietnamese will killed by the US but they slaughtered the US Army G.I.s anyways in Saigon 1975. The US ran away on live network TV with their families watching. and left 15,000 U.S. corpses and living prisoners to the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese to be harvested, tortured, raped. The U.S. simply turned away and abandoned thoer pown buddies. 10,000 years from today the world will read about the US Army in 1975 as the most shameful, cowardly army in recorded history.

Vietnam Army the G.O.A.T. wrote:

Vietnamese were the toughest. 25 million Vietnamese will killed by the US but they slaughtered the US Army G.I.s anyways in Saigon 1975. The US ran away on live network TV with their families watching. and left 15,000 U.S. corpses and living prisoners to the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese to be harvested, tortured, raped. The U.S. simply turned away and abandoned thoer pown buddies. 10,000 years from today the world will read about the US Army in 1975 as the most shameful, cowardly army in recorded history.

Congress cut off aid to South Vietnam in 1973. I'm pissed about that. They got to the point where we trained the ARVNs to be a good fighting force against the Sovi..erm, the North Vietnamese, but then we hung them out to dry.

Irish soldiers (Celtic Americans) led by German generals (Paton, Eisenhower) won the war for the USA.

w0efuu wrote:

Irish soldiers (Celtic Americans) led by German generals (Paton, Eisenhower) won the war for the USA.

Patton wasn't of German ancestry. He has Irish, Scots-Irish, Welsh & English ancestry. The surname Patton can be of either English, Scottish or Irish origin. The Gaelicized version of Patton in Ireland is Ó Peatáin (there are a couple sites on Patton's family background & ancestry).

One of my favorite generals is Douglas MacArthur - Scottish ancestry from the Highlands. 👍

Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:

w0efuu wrote:

Irish soldiers (Celtic Americans) led by German generals (Paton, Eisenhower) won the war for the USA.

Patton wasn't of German ancestry. He has Irish, Scots-Irish, Welsh & English ancestry. The surname Patton can be of either English, Scottish or Irish origin. The Gaelicized version of Patton in Ireland is Ó Peatáin (there are a couple sites on Patton's family background & ancestry).

One of my favorite generals is Douglas MacArthur - Scottish ancestry from the Highlands. 👍

English are Germanic from France. Welsh, Celtics, Scots, Irish are Scandinavians. Before recorded history, the ice receded from West to East across Asia. Population Geneticists find Northern Asians (modern day Siberians, Manchus, Mongolians) invaded Scandinavia as land appeared from the melted ice. Hope this helps.

Beam me up, Scotty! wrote:

[quote]Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:

English are Germanic from France. Welsh, Celtics, Scots, Irish are Scandinavians. Before recorded history, the ice receded from West to East across Asia. Population Geneticists find Northern Asians (modern day Siberians, Manchus, Mongolians) invaded Scandinavia as land appeared from the melted ice. Hope this helps.

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Thanks for the info....... As Henry Ford said: It is the Anglo and Celtic races that made America great.

My great uncle and his comrades at Omaha beach and other first wave D-Day landings were the bravest if not the toughest. The first wave at Omaha had a 90% fatality rate, the Germans had the higher ground, machine guns and heavy artillery and although they didn't know the exact location and time of the invasion they knew it was coming and had months to prepare. Perhaps equally as brave but less visible where the 1000s of paratroopers who landed behind enemy lines to help pave the way for the D-day invasion forces.

Some of the US forces that repatriated the pacific islands from the Japanese faced similar situations.

The Russians fought hard too and suffered the highest casualties of any WWII combatant.

The Japanese often fought to the death instead of surrendering, you can judge whether that was fighting harder or just plane crazy.

The Germans were a very professional army that was well equipped and generally well disciplined. They were the best equipped and trained of all the European forces including the Russians.

The Americans came into the war late and at first were not as well trained or equipped as the Germans but we caught up over time.