Having personal pacers in a World Marathon Major is super cringe.
Having personal pacers in a World Marathon Major is super cringe.
Well, Weldon,
Didn't you start that whole escort thing 20 years ago?
T.J. Applebee wrote:
hidingoutbehindaw wrote:
We can't even congratulate Emma without dumping on Hall now?
https://twitter.com/em_kertesz/status/1447213201364422657?t=tzyulq0LJQ-TJLOMdv_ZTg&s=19
Damn - that's a targeted tweet by Droddy's fiancé.
Whoops!!! wrote:
The term you're looking for is "personal," Harvard.
To be fair, wejo probably posted that from his family's private jet.
One of her pacers was Mitchell Klingler from Michigan.
gas station fro yo wrote:
T.J. Applebee wrote:
Damn - that's a targeted tweet by Droddy's fiancé.
Boom! Love it
This chick isn't happy unless she's in the peanut gallery crapping on someone out there trying their best and doing nothing overt to anyone else.
mattfoley wrote:
gas station fro yo wrote:
Damn - that's a targeted tweet by Droddy's fiancé.
Boom! Love it
Running with 3 dudes pacing you, and only you, is not trying your best, Sara.
BOHICA wrote:
This chick isn't happy unless she's in the peanut gallery crapping on someone out there trying their best and doing nothing overt to anyone else.
mattfoley wrote:
Boom! Love it
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Ackley wrote:
From what I could tell, Sara had a pacer in Nike gear probably paid for by the Chicago Marathon and two pacers in Asics gear probably paid for by her sponsor. Why didn’t the Nike guy go with Emma Bates when she passed Sara?
I sort of doubt Sara's pacers were being paid by anyone. It was only low 2:20 pace, a lot of guys can do that who would never sniff any prize money.
chicagoasdffggk wrote:
Emma was paced well past 22 miles. She had a group of 3-4 runners who were supposed to go with her as well but she became the lone person after a while. Sara had 3 personal pacers. The leader had a pacer. The men had pacers. They all had pacers to help work through the day.
Bates may have had 3 or 4 pacers as you say, but only one of them can be the master Bates pacer. Probably the one with the most experience.
One of the pacers is a buddy of mine. In his case, this wasn't a wasted "near marathon" effort. He's not only in ~2:15 shape, but routinely does workouts much harder than this. He's one of those runners with freak recovery ability, who can smash 2 or 3 monster sessions in a week and just get better and better.
A 2:27 marathon is probably on par intensity-wise with what he would have done in a workout this weekend any way. By pacing Sara he gets to workout in a super fun envornment, with a free trip and a paycheck to boot. I think it's a no brainer.
FWIW he paced Houston's elite women's field to a similar finish a few years ago, 5 weeks before having a big breakthrough at the trials.
altitude hermit wrote:
One of the pacers is a buddy of mine. In his case, this wasn't a wasted "near marathon" effort. He's not only in ~2:15 shape, but routinely does workouts much harder than this. He's one of those runners with freak recovery ability, who can smash 2 or 3 monster sessions in a week and just get better and better.
A 2:27 marathon is probably on par intensity-wise with what he would have done in a workout this weekend any way. By pacing Sara he gets to workout in a super fun envornment, with a free trip and a paycheck to boot. I think it's a no brainer.
FWIW he paced Houston's elite women's field to a similar finish a few years ago, 5 weeks before having a big breakthrough at the trials.
wow, didn't realize how much IDGAF about the background of the pacers. Like, who cares? The issue is the fact that one run used a team of personal pacers in a race in which she hoped to set an American record and contend for the victory.
rojo wrote:
A. Moran wrote:
BroJos really stirring up a lot of sh1t these days.....
So it's ok if you were pacing? So only the leaders can have pacers?? Not sure what you are getting at here, but way to make it about you.
Then earlier bringing up sportsmanship when 2 Kenyans don't know the course at Quad Cities. Know the course if you're going for the win. 3rd place guy can't yell 20 secs ahead of him and expect them to hear it.
It's amazing how people can just have a different reality.
What he's bringing up is pretty obvious.
1) is it fair for one athlete to have 3 personal pacers when other athletes in the same race have zero or 1? When Weldon was pacing, he was pacing the lead woman. If Chicago had 3 pacers for anyone running AR pace, that would be one thing.
2) I brought up Quad Cities and that was pretty clear as well. Do you think when a runner sees someone run off course if a runner behind them says after the race, "It's not my job to stop it."
PRIVATE PACERS! You have to be joking me! What is B of A money? PRIVATE or PUBLIC??
I definitely don't understand #2.....I think you're missing a question mark. Quad Cities was not "pretty clear" as evidenced by what happened. It is NOT another runner's responsibility for the other runners to know the course. Go run 5 minute mile pace and start trying to yell loud at someone 150 meters in front of you, and let me know what happens.
'PRIVATE PACERS......are you joking? Was Weldon PAID to pace? Yes. What is the difference??? People are paid to pace.....you say 'PRIVATE' but who pays the lead pacers? Bank of America does. That is private money since they sponsor it. So please, tell me the difference between 'private' money and what Sara did.
You guys NEVER used to post or start posts here. Now you combine threads and have mods delete crap that no one agrees with.
AW Red and White wrote:
Agreed. Blatantly against the rules to run alongside and coach. Every noob knows this.
If I had an athlete in that race, I'd protest.
And it looks stupid for a grown adult to be doing this. That along with providing no help at all to the athlete.
If she runs under her own power how's this cheating, no one cares.
Anyone complaining is either poor or slow (probably both)
Kobbs Hessler wrote:
Who are those guys? You still have to be a strong runner to post a 2:27 (and be capable of 2:20). But if you're that good, why would you waste a marathon at a 95% effort for, what, a thousand bucks?
I think they are every guy on LetsRun who uses the term "hobbyjogger".
info wrote:
chicagoasdffggk wrote:
Emma was paced well past 22 miles. She had a group of 3-4 runners who were supposed to go with her as well but she became the lone person after a while. Sara had 3 personal pacers. The leader had a pacer. The men had pacers. They all had pacers to help work through the day.
Bates may have had 3 or 4 pacers as you say, but only one of them can be the master Bates pacer. Probably the one with the most experience.
No, she had one pacer. There were 3-4 girls who were supposed to run with her but she dropped them after halfway
Men rule wrote:
The thing that bothers me about pacers is that somebody capable of winning a race is being paid not to. Athletes have gotten in trouble throughout history for doing that. What if today's winner had been paid to he Rupp's pacer but to pull off after 25 miles? It seems like race fixing now that we know he won. But we would have been fine with him getting $10k from Nike to run next to Rupp for 2 hours and then take a dive.. Imagine if Tom Brady pays the opposing defenders not to guard his receivers but just run really fast down the field so that his guys try to go faster than usual. Sounds reasonable.
Haven't you read any race accounts where a pacer feels good, doesn't stop and then win the race? It's not common, but they are out there. If you know anything about pacers, it's that they (in almost all cases with a rare exception) aren't capable of running the entire distance at the prescribed pace, but can easily handle it for, say, half the race. A 400 runner will pace an 800 group through the WR pace and drop out.
So in conslusion:
If pacers are legal, they are legal no matter who pays for them.