"Muscle past" might be the wrong phrase.
I have seen mid-pack or near back-of-pack gym rat guys, w/ bulky muscles, enter a narrow-ish chute absolutely sprinting their brains out and squeezing by some woman (as there are several finishers around in various states of fatigue) who ran hard the entire way....then turns around and looks at her. Seen that a few times.
It's awkward and cringeworthy.
Actually, its pathetic and desperate when men can't race against the other men in their category and have to go all out to beat someone who isn't.
Thats what I think of men who try to outsprint me at the finish when I'm finishing in the top 3 or something and they are like 27th in the mens' field. Pathetic.
Even worse are the dudes who follow you for the entire race in order to outsprint you at the end. As if there is nobody else in the field for them to follow other than the blond with the swinging pony tail. Its like having your own stalker for the duration of a race. I *might* have accidentally stuck my elbow's in their face by slowing down and letting them pull alongside when that has happened.
6rfyoyxihdkhsodh wrote:
Actually, its pathetic and desperate when men can't race against the other men in their category and have to go all out to beat someone who isn't.
Thats what I think of men who try to outsprint me at the finish when I'm finishing in the top 3 or something and they are like 27th in the mens' field. Pathetic.
Even worse are the dudes who follow you for the entire race in order to outsprint you at the end. As if there is nobody else in the field for them to follow other than the blonde with the swinging pony tail. Its like having your own stalker for the duration of a race. I *might* have accidentally stuck my elbow's in their face by slowing down and letting them pull alongside when that has happened.
Congrats on be a (17:xx to 19:xx) 5K runner and a (35:xx to 40:xx) 10K runner. When you race in road races with both genders, there will be some guys with high school (49.xx to 54.xx) 400m times in the field. Guys with that background are going to sprint over the final 300m. Some guys with (49.xx to 54.xx) high school 400m speed were at one time capable of racing 5K &/or 10K much faster than you, some not so much. They still are going to put their big toe in the pavement and sprint final 300m. Nothing personal. R-E-L-A-X.
6rfyoyxihdkhsodh wrote: I *might* have accidentally stuck my elbow's in their face by slowing down and letting them pull alongside when that has happened.
you *might* get your a$$ kicked next time you do that.
and really you should get your a$$ kicked for doing something like that.
trollin' along wrote:
Burritos and Beers wrote:
Only time where I've seen it as offensive is when a dude broke the tape that was being held for the first female. Such a dick move.
Disko Eric wrote:
That actually just recently happened. What race was that? It was on TV. I don’t think it was a marathon though. Maybe it was July 4 race in Atlanta.
Glass City Marathon. I love it when she calls him an @SShole at the finish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzFVc8VNAY
The moron volunteers are covering the entire finish line. The people finishing to the left are HM finishers funneled in a different path. I see no issue.
potato_salad wrote:
6rfyoyxihdkhsodh wrote: I *might* have accidentally stuck my elbow's in their face by slowing down and letting them pull alongside when that has happened.
you *might* get your a$$ kicked next time you do that.
and really you should get your a$$ kicked for doing something like that.
Seriously, it’s a race, don’t get pissy people are racing.
Unless you are 6’ 5” and the guy is 5’ 0”. It’s not even slightly accidental, that’s fully deliberate.
Personally, I view men's and women's races as being completely different races that happen to be run simultaneously on the same course. So if you're "racing" the first place woman to the line, you're a tool who's really racing for 50th place man. Let her get the glory and get out of the way.
Only exception would be if you're racing the clock for a BQ or OTQ or something.
fully-vaxxed, anti-masked wrote:
Personally, I view men's and women's races as being completely different races that happen to be run simultaneously on the same course. So if you're "racing" the first place woman to the line, you're a tool who's really racing for 50th place man. Let her get the glory and get out of the way.
You contradict yourself, in your logic guys should disregard the woman since she's not in the same race as you and just do they please to get their fastest time possible. She gets all her glory, regardless, because any guy isn't in the same race as her.
Imagine being on the home straight. You look up at the clock in the distance and there's possibility of breaking 2:30 and qualifying for other races. You pick up the pace, knowing you'll need a hard finish to do so.
Then as you get closer, you notice an elite woman a few metres in front of you. Well time to slow down, as Twitter told you that you can't be racing her.
Sub elite men racing the women is a disgrace
Unless a runner afterwards says something stupid like, "I wasn't going to let some GIRL beat me!", then there is no reason to judge. For all you know, a "sub-elite" guy sprinting at the finish was going to just get under his PR and he wanted to do that.
There is never anything wrong with going as hard as you can at the end of an open race, EVER. Now, if you run a 1 mile fun run and go all out at the end to beat some kid that the race was intended for, that's a different story, but when talking about adults in a race with other adults...it is just flat wrong to get upset over a guy racing at the end, even if it's against a woman. Is it or is it not a race?
Monti is flat wrong on this one.
Kobbs Hessler wrote:
If everyone in the race together, then it is just competitor vs competitor. Why do you have to obsess over gender??
^This the the CORRECT attitude on this.
Flagpole wrote:
Kobbs Hessler wrote:
If everyone in the race together, then it is just competitor vs competitor. Why do you have to obsess over gender??
^This the the CORRECT attitude on this.
It also IS the correct attitude on this.
Why get mad at men? wrote:
6rfyoyxihdkhsodh wrote:
Actually, its pathetic and desperate when men can't race against the other men in their category and have to go all out to beat someone who isn't.
Thats what I think of men who try to outsprint me at the finish when I'm finishing in the top 3 or something and they are like 27th in the mens' field. Pathetic.
Even worse are the dudes who follow you for the entire race in order to outsprint you at the end. As if there is nobody else in the field for them to follow other than the blonde with the swinging pony tail. Its like having your own stalker for the duration of a race. I *might* have accidentally stuck my elbow's in their face by slowing down and letting them pull alongside when that has happened.
Congrats on be a (17:xx to 19:xx) 5K runner and a (35:xx to 40:xx) 10K runner. When you race in road races with both genders, there will be some guys with high school (49.xx to 54.xx) 400m times in the field. Guys with that background are going to sprint over the final 300m. Some guys with (49.xx to 54.xx) high school 400m speed were at one time capable of racing 5K &/or 10K much faster than you, some not so much. They still are going to put their big toe in the pavement and sprint final 300m. Nothing personal. R-E-L-A-X.
+1
It's called a race for a reason. You race everyone in the field. Approaching the end of a race everyone kicks to the best of their ability, even if you're a no kick runner like Stewart McSweyn, you try to pass or stay ahead of every person around, male or female.
potato_salad wrote:
6rfyoyxihdkhsodh wrote: I *might* have accidentally stuck my elbow's in their face by slowing down and letting them pull alongside when that has happened.
you *might* get your a$$ kicked next time you do that.
and really you should get your a$$ kicked for doing something like that.
I feel sorry for you if you can't tell the difference between a criminal assault and a woman fending off a man running too close to her. I literally described being stalked by one individual throughout a race in my previous post, you ignored that bit and tried to turn it into something completely different. Do you actually have a girlfriend or a wife, when you think the kind of behaviour I described is normal? Poor them if you do.
Flagpole wrote:
Unless a runner afterwards says something stupid like, "I wasn't going to let some GIRL beat me!", then there is no reason to judge. For all you know, a "sub-elite" guy sprinting at the finish was going to just get under his PR and he wanted to do that.
There is never anything wrong with going as hard as you can at the end of an open race, EVER. Now, if you run a 1 mile fun run and go all out at the end to beat some kid that the race was intended for, that's a different story, but when talking about adults in a race with other adults...it is just flat wrong to get upset over a guy racing at the end, even if it's against a woman. Is it or is it not a race?
Monti is flat wrong on this one.
I'll judge all I like. I'm racing against the people in my prize category, not to get 17th or 18th place but to try and win or get top 3 (depending on the quality of the field). I don't want some dumb-assed jock getting in my way, particularly if they get between me and the second placer woman (which has happened) and block my finishing sprint.
And if they can race as hard as that at the finish to get 17th or 18th place, its an indication that they weren't going fast enough to beat the other men, if they have so much energy left at the finish to put into trying to beat someone who isn't even in their category.
this is the most ridiculous take I've ever heard. it's not exactly the same but it reminds me of this insanity -
it's is fu@#@#%@#%@#$ing MARATHON. anyone running anything close to shalane, regardless of gender, trained their ass off. you are dimly aware you're alive at the end of 26 miles, whose to say he even knew who she was?!
I don't care if it's shalane or Jesus or bob Kennedy or Marion jones or Norah jones, the presence of a celebrity is not going to make me not leave every ounce out on the course.
If this is something you complain about, you are the worst, and you don't understand running.
6rfyoyxihdkhsodh wrote:
potato_salad wrote:
you *might* get your a$$ kicked next time you do that.
and really you should get your a$$ kicked for doing something like that.
I feel sorry for you if you can't tell the difference between a criminal assault and a woman fending off a man running too close to her. I literally described being stalked by one individual throughout a race in my previous post, you ignored that bit and tried to turn it into something completely different. Do you actually have a girlfriend or a wife, when you think the kind of behaviour I described is normal? Poor them if you do.
Yeah, I'm a dude, but I've also been stalked in every race I've ever run. Just goes with the territory.
Why would I treat anyone on the course differently because of their gender?
johnny leggowanker wrote:
this is the most ridiculous take I've ever heard. it's not exactly the same but it reminds me of this insanity -
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-08-18/padres-fernando-tatis-jr-grand-slam-baseball-unwritten-rulesit's is fu@#@#%@#%@#$ing MARATHON. anyone running anything close to shalane, regardless of gender, trained their ass off. you are dimly aware you're alive at the end of 26 miles, whose to say he even knew who she was?!
I don't care if it's shalane or Jesus or bob Kennedy or Marion jones or Norah jones, the presence of a celebrity is not going to make me not leave every ounce out on the course.
If this is something you complain about, you are the worst, and you don't understand running.
With all due respect, this topic is discussing the issue in all races, of all distances, and I don't think you appreciate quite how disruptive a middle ranking male can be in a close women's finish if he is obsessed with beating women and ends up getting in the way. I even had one push me out of the way in the finishing strait when it became very narrow, before the finishing line, when I was racing another woman a few seconds ahead of me, whom I might have otherwise caught. I've had a few men catch my heels in road races too because they insist on running right behind me.
Its a bit amusing how all these men, who have never had it happen to them because they are men, are trying to tell women what it is like to be a woman and have that happen to a woman, and then dismissing women's expressed opinions because it either doesn't agree with their narrative or some other women came along and said it hasn't bothered them.
Imagine if a man came along and said it really bothered him witnessing it. You would be stuck between following the male opinion and disagreeing with some of the women!