Jim Ryun did NOT race final 300m in 36.5. There were no splits shown. I cannot find evidence of 800m race passing 500m faster than 68.xx and racing final 300m, 36.xx. Emmanuel Korir passed 500m in 67.xx and could not race final 300m any faster than 37.xx. Sorry, no 46-flat for Jim Ryun for 400m as all the old timers say he was capable. Ryun couldn't even run sub-1:44 800m. Keep that in mind.
The 36.5 was at the end of a 1500, not 800.
Ryun ran 1:44 with splits of 53/51 - so it's safe to say if he had of been in a well paced race he could have run 1:43 high
46.9 - no disrespect to Jim, but it's amazing how many middle distance runners have relay splits that end in .9...coach got me at 46.9 (ot saying it didn;t happen, just saying that we see this .9 a lot)
Coe and perhaps Fermin Cacho or Noah Ngeny
Only one way to find out!
One way? Probably a few ways and he most likely has been close in one of this ways.
Jim Ryan was a 6,02 powerhouse with perfect form.
He was world record holder at 800, 1500 and mile. Olympic medalist. He is in the argument for GOAT middle distance runner. I could see him running 46 or 47 for 400m.
Nugoose, no chance in hell
Sebastian Coe was a 46.8 400M runner.
Jakob better work on his speed for this summer.
JRinaldi wrote:
The 36.5 was at the end of a 1500, not 800.
Ryun ran 1:44 with splits of 53/51 - so it's safe to say if he had of been in a well paced race he could have run 1:43 high
46.9 - no disrespect to Jim, but it's amazing how many middle distance runners have relay splits that end in .9...coach got me at 46.9 (ot saying it didn;t happen, just saying that we see this .9 a lot)
When Brazier ran a 2 second negative split in high school, 54/52 with decimals adding to 1:47, he had plenty more. We won't know how much more but he ran 1:43.5 the next year, shattering Ryun's college record. That 53/51 indicated well under 1:43 capability. It's not as if he were remotely pushed.
Unstoppable wrote:
Jakob better work on his speed for this summer.
Very dangerous thing to do, as it more often than not leads to injuries. There is a reason why one lands in 1500m and not 100m, it's the lack of natural speed. And if Jakob lacks speed to close a fast 1500m, most natural and safe thing to do would be to move up a distance, where his kick is enough to win.
Absolutely no way
i say he could barely dip under 49
1:42.99 means no slower than 47.49 wrote:
Jim Ryun did NOT race final 300m in 36.5. There were no splits shown. I cannot find evidence of 800m race passing 500m faster than 68.xx and racing final 300m, 36.xx. Emmanuel Korir passed 500m in 67.xx and could not race final 300m any faster than 37.xx. Sorry, no 46-flat for Jim Ryun for 400m as all the old timers say he was capable. Ryun couldn't even run sub-1:44 800m. Keep that in mind.
Found the hasbarat. Go back to your tunnel.
TrackCoach wrote:
Absolutely no way
i say he could barely dip under 49
We sort of need to clarify 46.9 versus 46.0. There are very few elite 1500m guys that we have legit times on. Coe running a mid 46 is one of them. Most of the rest are they ran a 48.5 on some relay in HS/college. Very,very few of them have the 5k times to suggest they are aerobic monsters. Few have 800m times to suggest they have speed to burn. If you lined up the WC finalist for a 400m with 1 million dollar prize purse, you would expect most of them to be in the 47.5-48.5 range. Much faster gets rare in a hurry(those 1:43/3:30 guys), and if you are strong enough to be running 3:30 with 50s speed, you are a sub 12:45 runner.
Girls run too much wrote:
Brazier ran 46 indoor so he could most likely run 45 outdoor with some training. Why would Nuguse not be capable of 46.9 if Brazier can run 45? Why do you all get your undies in a bundle regarding their personalities instead of dealing with the data? So we have a guy about the same age as Nuguse who does more than what Nuguse says he could do and you continue to think it is impossible just because you don't like the guys.
Bump
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
I'd love to know what his basis for thinking this is. Has he run some flying 200's in training under 22.5? I just don't get why you would say that unless you have absolutely zero clue about your body, it's strengths and weaknesses and the physiology of the sport and it's events (maybe be doesn't).
Look Nuguse is hugely impressive. I picked him to make the Olympic team and he did. But the first time I ever saw him run was the solo 3.34 at the ACC champs (I hadn't even seen the 2019 NCAA win at that point) and I remember thinking "THIS guy won the NCAA and ran 3.34?" and I said that for the sole reason of his running form - very low "bucket" hips and swaying arm carriage. But hey, he is tough as nails both physically and mentally and the 1500m/mile is ultimately an endurance/strength event.
But that's beside the point - Jared can work on his speed all he wants - there is zero chance he will ever, EVER even get close to 46 seconds in an open 400m - not even in a relay. I am just going to chalk this one up as amusing and pretend like his was deliberately making fun of himself which he very well might have been.
So yeah, two years on - do we think that Yared Nuguse still believes he can run a 46? I'll tell you what if he could and with 3.43 mile chops, he should be looking at becoming the second American ever under 1.42 in the 800 - even going after Hoppels new record. After all Seb Coe was a 46.8/3.47 guy that landed at 1.41.73.
I think we should just chalk up YN's original comment on this to the exuberance of youth huh...
Lol. You all always obsess over 400m times that distance dudes can run. A 46 ain't all that and a bag of chips. Do you know how many run of the mill NCAA guys can run a 46.x? Lol, you put this 400m thing on a pedestal
Sprinter101 wrote:
Lol. You all always obsess over 400m times that distance dudes can run. A 46 ain't all that and a bag of chips. Do you know how many run of the mill NCAA guys can run a 46.x? Lol, you put this 400m thing on a pedestal
How many of those run of the mill NCAA guys can run 4 55s back to back though? Should feel like a jog right...
Tell him he's dreamin'.
snowdays wrote:
yeah if nuguse could run a 46,he should be running 1:43 in the 800m with all that strength. i'll give him 48.high at best.
i also don't think closing speed is in any way indicative of open 400m potential, so i'm not sure hocker is much faster.
Based on Naguse being able to run 7:25 (or better) for 3km and also 3:43.9 for the mile tells me that he could do somewhere between 1:44.5-1.45.5 for 800m, so the 400m equivalent to this based on his extreme strength is 48.8-49.7
48 mid for Nuguse.
Hocker ran a few 4x4s earlier this year. He split 48. I don’t think Nuguse has better speed than Hocker, but I also don’t think his speed is much worse.