Runner10287 wrote:
All these expensive supplements at GNC and all one needs is a pack of hot dogs. I guess Babe Ruth had it figured out. No wonder he hit so many home runs. Too bad he was doping better go back and ad an asterisk to his name.
To be honest, Babe Ruth likely used some kind of narcotics and illegal amphetamines during his career. It's just that no one cared at the time.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
False. They like busting everyone. The CAS not accepting Shelby's explanation is the more interesting part of this. They did accept Lawson's explanation of events. I think this case being Nandrolone and, if the people on here are to believed a much less believable level of it, is why this case is different. Shelby's side is arguing this could've been all naturally occurring. The CAS is not buying that.
If one could so easily get over these thresholds by tainted meat we should have such cases not every other year or less but about every month. There are thousands of athletes in environments not as highly professional as BTC. And some thrower would consume large amounts of meat (and also be tested for additional hormones), so it should be a very frequent occurence. As it is not one has to suppose that the thresholds are sensible enough that it is very unlikely to get over them by a bit of meat.
Jo72 wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
False. They like busting everyone. The CAS not accepting Shelby's explanation is the more interesting part of this. They did accept Lawson's explanation of events. I think this case being Nandrolone and, if the people on here are to believed a much less believable level of it, is why this case is different. Shelby's side is arguing this could've been all naturally occurring. The CAS is not buying that.
If one could so easily get over these thresholds by tainted meat we should have such cases not every other year or less but about every month. There are thousands of athletes in environments not as highly professional as BTC. And some thrower would consume large amounts of meat (and also be tested for additional hormones), so it should be a very frequent occurence. As it is not one has to suppose that the thresholds are sensible enough that it is very unlikely to get over them by a bit of meat.
Exactly. This reasoning would have triggered roughly a 100 false positives annually…and Scott Fauble would be responsible for 40 of them alone.
La sopa de Sabadell wrote:
ScottEvil wrote:
My 2c:
When Christian Coleman got popped, IIRC, the consensus opinion here was that it was on him to follow testing procedures to a tee, because that's a core part of his job. IMO, being careful about your food intake falls in the same category.
A lot of athletes have lost competition years, or risked it, by eating tainted meat (so they argued, anyway). One way to respond to that is to eat whatever you want and then make a big fuss if you get popped. Another is to be *extremely careful about what you eat*, especially w.r.t meat. This would probably mean:
* get all your meat, eggs, and dairy from a butcher you trust or directly from a farm;
* eat only fresh seafood
* in general, stick to nuts, fruits grains, mushrooms, etc. -- things that couldn't possibly have steroids in them.
Shelby didn't do that. Probably a lot of athletes don't do that, but they could.
So I don't see this as an instance of miscarried justice. I think it's a sobering reminder about how being conscientious about testing, food, etc. is a core part of the athlete's job, and if you mess it up, you run the risk of needing to go get a real job.
IMHO.
Absolutely the right take on this. Training 4 hours a day is not enough, being an elite athlete is a full time job. Should have been learning nutrition and chemistry in the free time instead of playing Candy Crush. To be honest it was stupid/naive/irresponsible of Houlihan to eat a burrito from a food truck, if that's what really happened.
Ever eaten from a food truck? I have and it is kind of impromptu fun with food.
Take multivitamins, over the counter meds, go to a party where weed is being smoked and breathed second hand smoke? Little things can have bad consequences if you are a professional track and field athlete.
Being a professional track athlete must be an incredible life. Just remember, the tremendous sacrifice they have to make and ask yourself could you do the same? Would you slip up on occasion?
I volunteer to eat a few burritos and pea in a cup. Or just ingest boar offal straight from its warm corpse during a hunting expedition. Wouldn't that be the best way to get the maximum dosage?
BTW, how many taco trucks are sourcing their meet from wild boar? I'm pretty sure those little piggies are factory-farm porkers.
These steroid deniers must have incredibly tiny brains.
MI Strong wrote:
Being a professional track athlete must be an incredible life. Just remember, the tremendous sacrifice they have to make and ask yourself could you do the same? Would you slip up on occasion?
Exactly. There is no room for weakness and error on that level.
Would you eat at a food truck if you were an American record holder with prospects of an olympic medal?
Just google that place: La Morenita Ricos Tacos
Agree with you. I remember when Ajee Wilson went through this. Dang. You are a pro athlete highly tested. Know exactly where your food comes from like you mentioned. Don’t eat out. Bring your own unopened water bottles. Such a shame. Makes the 1500 and 5000 more interesting though.
think first wrote:
MI Strong wrote:
Being a professional track athlete must be an incredible life. Just remember, the tremendous sacrifice they have to make and ask yourself could you do the same? Would you slip up on occasion?
Exactly. There is no room for weakness and error on that level.
Would you eat at a food truck if you were an American record holder with prospects of an olympic medal?
Just google that place: La Morenita Ricos Tacos
I would eat there. The reviews are good! Interestingly they only serve one type of pig offal—stomach. The tripe would be beef, so I see why CAS would be skeptical.
Her lawyer said they got food from there and it sounded like it was for testing, but if they had been able to find traceable amounts of nandrolene, they would've shared that.
La sopa de Sabadell wrote:
ban for being stupid wrote:
She’s likely a third of the weight of those in that that study, so she’s only need one burrito.
Weight doesn't matter in this case, as we are not talking percentage, but the amount of Nandrolone in microg/L in urine.
300g of contaminated pork will cause the same amount of Nandrolone in a 50kg woman and a 100kg man.
And if you have 2x many litres of blood to distribute the drug in, who do you think would have the higher values? And note the one guy was 50% higher(7.5) than SH(5). And last I checked she is a woman not a man.
Obviously the next step is to feed SH like 100gms of boar and see what her values are like 10 hours later. She pops out like a 3+(i.e. like an order of magnitude more than you would expect) , we can then debate what the odds are that she actually ate the wrong food.
I am suspect as heck of this excuse but science has shown it can happen. If it did is a whole different question.
longjack wrote:
good luck to the innocent and too bad for the guilty.
there are no innocent or guilty. There are only entertainers competing to sell their products to the public. All is fair.
Ironically the scandals generate more interest. The dumbest thing financially any sport could do is succeed at anti-doping.
ABCDEFG29 wrote:
BTW, how many taco trucks are sourcing their meet from wild boar? I'm pretty sure those little piggies are factory-farm porkers.
Exactly. And 100% of them are castrated boars.
Jo72 wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
False. They like busting everyone. The CAS not accepting Shelby's explanation is the more interesting part of this. They did accept Lawson's explanation of events. I think this case being Nandrolone and, if the people on here are to believed a much less believable level of it, is why this case is different. Shelby's side is arguing this could've been all naturally occurring. The CAS is not buying that.
If one could so easily get over these thresholds by tainted meat we should have such cases not every other year or less but about every month. There are thousands of athletes in environments not as highly professional as BTC. And some thrower would consume large amounts of meat (and also be tested for additional hormones), so it should be a very frequent occurence. As it is not one has to suppose that the thresholds are sensible enough that it is very unlikely to get over them by a bit of meat.
Wasn't Alan Webb eating burgers from Five Guys on a regular basis?
I've been wondering the same. If it was really a burrito, they should be able to prove it by ordering a few and having them tested. Is this a ghost burrito truck that disappeared after that fateful night?
https://youtu.be/Quf0q3ABb7ILet it Rupp wrote:
I specialize in dumb comments. wrote:
Don't be so gullible. If eating contaminated pork was a thing, then every meathead in the world would be eating at Mexican food trucks five meals a day.
I would do this even if the barbacoa tacos wasn't getting me juiced to the tits.
Aouita 84 wrote:
Question-
Did they or are they tracking down the food truck from which she bought the burrito and test a sample of the pork used? and or the source from where the pork was purchased by the food truck? Even if the pork from the truck is contaminated, it's still in her system. Now what?
Also, where do we draw a line as to what is an "allowable limit" for contaminated food? Bottom line is that if there's Nandrolone in your system whether you know it or not you're still gaining the benefits. When you test positive, you simply say "Oh yeah, I had a pork burrito last night", or better yet "I eat pork every day".
There's more to this story...stay tuned.
Six pages and it's the first time someone else reflected my very first thought -- isn't deciding the fate of an American record holder and possible Olympic medalist worth at least the most basic investigation? Interview the restaurant/food truck owner (I don't know if the name a recent poster cited was correct) about their food sources, test a random sampling, invite volunteers with receipts to test for the steroid. It may involve some science to get some actual facts, but it's not rocket science.
Another point that isn't mentioned much for some reason - possible risk of steroid contamination isn't the only reason to avoid meat. It's linked to greatly increased risk of cancer, heart disease, not to mention the whole industry being terrible for the environment.
Fastnbulbous wrote:
Aouita 84 wrote:
Question-
Did they or are they tracking down the food truck from which she bought the burrito and test a sample of the pork used? and or the source from where the pork was purchased by the food truck? Even if the pork from the truck is contaminated, it's still in her system. Now what?
Also, where do we draw a line as to what is an "allowable limit" for contaminated food? Bottom line is that if there's Nandrolone in your system whether you know it or not you're still gaining the benefits. When you test positive, you simply say "Oh yeah, I had a pork burrito last night", or better yet "I eat pork every day".
There's more to this story...stay tuned.
Six pages and it's the first time someone else reflected my very first thought -- isn't deciding the fate of an American record holder and possible Olympic medalist worth at least the most basic investigation? Interview the restaurant/food truck owner (I don't know if the name a recent poster cited was correct) about their food sources, test a random sampling, invite volunteers with receipts to test for the steroid. It may involve some science to get some actual facts, but it's not rocket science.
Another point that isn't mentioned much for some reason - possible risk of steroid contamination isn't the only reason to avoid meat. It's linked to greatly increased risk of cancer, heart disease, not to mention the whole industry being terrible for the environment.
Poster, you are gullible. Houlihan team had the appeals process to present phony food truck evidence. Houlihan does not deny there were steroids in her system, Houlihan is blaming a food truck. Houlihan is lying. Why can't you see this?
Guilty of course. wrote:
Fastnbulbous wrote:
Six pages and it's the first time someone else reflected my very first thought -- isn't deciding the fate of an American record holder and possible Olympic medalist worth at least the most basic investigation? Interview the restaurant/food truck owner (I don't know if the name a recent poster cited was correct) about their food sources, test a random sampling, invite volunteers with receipts to test for the steroid. It may involve some science to get some actual facts, but it's not rocket science.
Another point that isn't mentioned much for some reason - possible risk of steroid contamination isn't the only reason to avoid meat. It's linked to greatly increased risk of cancer, heart disease, not to mention the whole industry being terrible for the environment.
Poster, you are gullible. Houlihan team had the appeals process to present phony food truck evidence. Houlihan does not deny there were steroids in her system, Houlihan is blaming a food truck. Houlihan is lying. Why can't you see this?
So you're a Nandrolone expert? Just like 1000 other posters. All Nandrolone experts.
Fastnbulbous wrote:
Six pages and it's the first time someone else reflected my very first thought -- isn't deciding the fate of an American record holder and possible Olympic medalist worth at least the most basic investigation? Interview the restaurant/food truck owner (I don't know if the name a recent poster cited was correct) about their food sources, test a random sampling, invite volunteers with receipts to test for the steroid. It may involve some science to get some actual facts, but it's not rocket science.
Houlihan hired the contaminated meat guy -- the guy who defended Wilson and Lawson -- to defend her. Do you really think he didn't investigate her story? Or that he wouldn't tell us what he found if it supported her story?
Tastes Like Chicken wrote:
Fastnbulbous wrote:
Six pages and it's the first time someone else reflected my very first thought -- isn't deciding the fate of an American record holder and possible Olympic medalist worth at least the most basic investigation? Interview the restaurant/food truck owner (I don't know if the name a recent poster cited was correct) about their food sources, test a random sampling, invite volunteers with receipts to test for the steroid. It may involve some science to get some actual facts, but it's not rocket science.
Houlihan hired the contaminated meat guy -- the guy who defended Wilson and Lawson -- to defend her. Do you really think he didn't investigate her story? Or that he wouldn't tell us what he found if it supported her story?
I watched the video. He actually knows about Nandrolone. That's good for her defence.