Mo Ahmed - Avila fall : Ahmed should be sanctioned in some way

Unpaid Nike Intern wrote:

#freesalazar wrote:

Typically Schumacher BS from one of Jerry's kids.

The only plausible explation is that Jerry ordered Marc Scott and Mo to clear a path for Centrowitz. Before the start, Scott oddly looks over at Wynne as if to stake out the guy he needs to impede. When the gun goes off, Scott cuts behind Centro and throws an elbow at Wynne while Mo impedes Wynne from the other side. Mo notices Avila getting by on Mo's right and starts windmilling his arms.

The only just penalty is a four year ban for Jerry and revoking the visas of Scott and Mo.

Revoking their visas may be difficult because both athletes are green card candidates as “exceptional individuals in sport.”

In a few years time imagine these two athletes will be as American as apple pie and maybe even your neighbors. I don’t think Mo intentionally brought down Avila, but if he did it was in the heat of the moment.

Exceptional individuals and green card or permanent residency in the United States of America. Let’s make America great again with these dual citizens who can contribute so much to the American way of life.

Fairly obvious Mo committed the only serious fouls.

Flailing his arms parallel to him in a crowded start and grabbing the shoulder strap of another runner's singlet and holding on while he falls, both deliberate disqualifying moves.

The start looked too crowded. Someone needed to break behind the others. Mo lost balance, fairly or not, and tried to mma fight his way back into a front spot.

Ghost1 wrote:

https://www.usavisanow.com/extraordinary-ability-green-card-eb-1/

Exceptional individuals and green card or permanent residency in the United States of America. Let’s make America great again with these dual citizens who can contribute so much to the American way of life.

I am glad you guys don't disagree with the four year ban of Jerry. Didn't he order guys to impede Rupp in an indoor race a number of years ago?

tradition wrote:

Fairly obvious Mo committed the only serious fouls.

Flailing his arms parallel to him in a crowded start and grabbing the shoulder strap of another runner's singlet and holding on while he falls, both deliberate disqualifying moves.

The start looked too crowded. Someone needed to break behind the others. Mo lost balance, fairly or not, and tried to mma fight his way back into a front spot.

Why do you think Moh lost balance? Perhaps some abnormal force pushing him on the right? Why do you think he fell in the first place? There has to be he REASON why he was "flailing his arms", why do you think that is?

The only foul Moh committed was grabbing Avila's jersey, AFTER he was pushed to the ground by Avila.

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How anyone can watch the video and say Mo Ahmed is not to blame is beyond me.

Avila didn't shove Mo at all. Mo tried to merge in on his own but bumped into Wynne. It was Mo that made the sharp over-aggressive move to the inside.

The even crazier thing I find is this: by the time of the very first frame we see these guys shot from the front angle (0:24 timestamp), Mo by that point-in-time already has his right hand way out on Avila's chest and stomach, and Mo's left arm is sticking out in front of Wynne to his left; it was as if he was attempting to purposely use those two guys to pull/push himself out off the line; but neither of them wanted any part of that.

central park runners wrote:

Avila didn't shove Mo at all. Mo tried to merge in on his own but bumped into Wynne. It was Mo that made the sharp over-aggressive move to the inside.

That's just incorrect. Moh was shoved twice from Avila. Once on the start line (knocking him into Wynne), and the second time at 50m when Avila shoved him down trying to cut in too early.

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central park runners wrote:

Avila didn't shove Mo at all. Mo tried to merge in on his own but bumped into Wynne. It was Mo that made the sharp over-aggressive move to the inside.

That's just incorrect. Moh was shoved twice from Avila. Once on the start line (knocking him into Wynne), and the second time at 50m when Avila shoved him down trying to cut in too early.

By the time we can actually see the athletes from the front angle, Mo already has his arms way out in front of both Avila and Wynne. Stepping it frame-by-frame, it appears Mo makes a huge push-off from Avila to step over in front of Wynne; a two-or-three frames later, Mo has his left elbow up in Wynne's throat.

Ok guys, here's what I'm seeing on the start line:

https://i.imgur.com/iM41Ckw.png

Avila is trying to aggressively clear space for himself and elbows Moh AND Vince. Wynne is way too close to Moh, so Moh loses his balance as he is pushed into him.

Avila then keeps on pushing Moh in the first 50m:

https://i.imgur.com/ZdBBPS0.png

And Moh eventually goes down. I think this is pretty definitive.

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

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That's just incorrect. Moh was shoved twice from Avila. Once on the start line (knocking him into Wynne), and the second time at 50m when Avila shoved him down trying to cut in too early.

By the time we can actually see the athletes from the front angle, Mo already has his arms way out in front of both Avila and Wynne. Stepping it frame-by-frame, it appears Mo makes a huge push-off from Avila to step over in front of Wynne; a two-or-three frames later, Mo has his left elbow up in Wynne's throat.

Please look at the images I just posted.

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

By the time we can actually see the athletes from the front angle, Mo already has his arms way out in front of both Avila and Wynne.

Here is the very first frame we can see the athletes from the front view; by that time, Mo already has his arms way out in front of both Avila and Wynne.

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:Stepping it frame-by-frame, it appears Mo makes a huge push-off from Avila to step over in front of Wynne; a two-or-three frames later, Mo has his left elbow up in Wynne's throat.

This frame show's an elbow to the throat:

It's worth noting that the "elbow to the throat" is AFTER Ahmed is shoved into Wynne. Not his fault.

Look at my pics. You can see that Avila not only has his arms on Ahmed and Vince, but he shoves them aside too, causing the disruption. Ahmed just putting his arms out is not an issue.

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Ok guys, here's what I'm seeing on the start line:

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Avila is trying to aggressively clear space for himself and elbows Moh AND Vince.

What you are evidently failing to comprehend, is that by the time we actually can see the athletes from the front view, Mo already has his arms way out in front of, and appearing to push off-of, both athletes to his right and left. Consequently, trying to assess anything Avila does from that point on is a reaction to what Mo has already done; we unfortunately, do not have footage prior to that.

It's also worth noting that Avila and Wynne are strangely close to Ahmed, almost like Avila is leaning into him trying to cut in way too early.

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It's worth noting that the "elbow to the throat" is AFTER Ahmed is shoved into Wynne. Not his fault.

No, not after Ahmed is shoved into Wynne; but rather, after Mo dramatically pushes off of Avila, in order to jump over and impede Wynne's progress, as well.

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

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Ok guys, here's what I'm seeing on the start line:

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Avila is trying to aggressively clear space for himself and elbows Moh AND Vince.

What you are evidently failing to comprehend, is that by the time we actually can see the athletes from the front view, Mo already has his arms way out in front of, and appearing to push off-of, both athletes to his right and left. Consequently, trying to assess anything Avila does from that point on is a reaction to what Mo has already done; we unfortunately, do not have footage prior to that.

Moh just having his arms out is not a problem, it's the unfortunate consequence of a bunched start line. Now, what we can see, is Vince and Ahmed BOTH being flung aside by Avila, which is the cause of the disturbance. Now, I'd agree with if it was JUST Ahmed being shoved aside, but in this case, Vince is also pushed aside, making Avila the undoubted aggressor on the line.

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

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It's worth noting that the "elbow to the throat" is AFTER Ahmed is shoved into Wynne. Not his fault.

No, not after Ahmed is shoved into Wynne; but rather, after Mo dramatically pushes off of Avila, in order to jump over and impede Wynne's progress, as well.

So you think this is Moh "pushing off" of Avila, not Avila shoving Moh and Vince with his elbows? Which is more likely? Did Vince decide to "push off" Avila at the same time?