Yeah, I think that you might find there is a train of thought that fluidity of/a relaxed arm carriage is pretty important to efficient running - especially at this level over the 1500/mile. But I could be wrong... but probably not. None of it is a criticism - Nuguse is a freaking stud and he ticks the box in the most important of criteria - courage and determination.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Yeah, I think that you might find there is a train of thought that fluidity of/a relaxed arm carriage is pretty important to efficient running - especially at this level over the 1500/mile. But I could be wrong... but probably not. None of it is a criticism - Nuguse is a freaking stud and he ticks the box in the most important of criteria - courage and determination.
I am not saying his arm carriage is not important. He maybe could work on that at some point. I am just saying that his stride looks tremendous.
Jim Ryun ran 3:33.1 on a dirt track in 1967, nearly 54 years ago, running the last 1200m in 2:46.4. Zero nykie dragonfly + on dirt.
slowbro wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
It's just great stuff and smart on many levels - I laughed at how the commentators didn't seem to figure out or understand what was going on here.
I mean the logic is sound - weather looked amazing (who knows if it would be as good in the final), no stress of needing to win the race (even if somehow he blew up he probably still makes the final and can reassess) and he's also fresh.
I mean given that he's the best miler in the nation right now I'm going to assume he can win the final in many ways and this way that's all he needs to focus on. Why worry about winning a race and running the standard in the same race when you can split it up.
Just takes the guts to do it and he clearly has them. Super impressive
I agree with this wholeheartedly. The broadcasters had no idea what was going on. As soon as he passed 200 in 27 something I felt myself let out a loud chuckle. The first thought that crossed my mind was “ , is he going for the standard or just working on being aggressive?” I’m sure most stat nerd knew by 300 in what he was doing. The most impressive thing for me was his close. He hit 1200 hard in 2:53 and still managed to close in 41. Even his last 200 looked bad, I saw him cross in 3:06 and thought it was over because of how high his arm carriage was becoming. If nothing else Yared proved he’s got the will to be a champion and I can’t do anything but commend him for that.
Nuguse has an exceptional ability to dig deep in the final stretch of a race even when he's struggling. I read an interview with him from a couple years and it talks about how he would get a second wind at the end of workouts. So he practices that skill to some degree, but he also has that desire to dig deep. You can't teach that, it's all mentality and guts.
The other thing that struck me is he tries to have fun with his running. I think there are a lot of talented runners that run because they are talented but may not have a lot of fun with the activity. Running and racing being fun can give people that extra edge. Hope he doesn't lose that desire because it's different when running becomes a job, if he chooses that path.
This was way more genuine commentary than half the cr*p we hear. Thanks for memorializing.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
Nuguse has an exceptional ability to dig deep in the final stretch of a race even when he's struggling. I read an interview with him from a couple years and it talks about how he would get a second wind at the end of workouts. So he practices that skill to some degree, but he also has that desire to dig deep. You can't teach that, it's all mentality and guts.
The other thing that struck me is he tries to have fun with his running. I think there are a lot of talented runners that run because they are talented but may not have a lot of fun with the activity. Running and racing being fun can give people that extra edge. Hope he doesn't lose that desire because it's different when running becomes a job, if he chooses that path.
He's got a less exaggerated Adel Mechaal thing going. It's not that bad, but the arms look like he's going hard.
I do hope wherever he goes as a pro, he joins a true team atmosphere. I feel like at Notre Dame with the DMR and XC success he's fed off of that. Lot of teams like that now, fortunately especially with ON and Team Boss taking shape. I'd love to see what he could do training with Hoare on a daily base.
I had forgotten Tanner's 3:34.72 but then that was the high point of his season, while Nuguse has just started running 1500s again after a couple years and is a great kicker who shows up biggest when it counts most. This was also outdoors with wind and no drafting or pacers at all. I do not think that the data right now shows that the new spikes make a significant difference.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
I had forgotten Tanner's 3:34.72 but then that was the high point of his season, while Nuguse has just started running 1500s again after a couple years and is a great kicker who shows up biggest when it counts most. This was also outdoors with wind and no drafting or pacers at all. I do not think that the data right now shows that the new spikes make a significant difference.
“I do not think that the data right now shows that the new spikes make a significant difference”.
lol lol lol!! You have such a smart brain with your use of the words - data and significant. Idiot, open your eyes.
Idk if this is true. UW-Madison has an UA contract and I know that their runners were allowed to use non-UA shoes for track and XC for at least the first couple of years. Not sure if that has changed. Source: nanny was on the UW XC team.
SeattleSilver wrote:
347893 wrote:
In complete violation of the contract that ND has with Under Armour. Carlson and Sparks have been in violation of that for years.
Do you know for a fact that the UA contract requires track athletes to wear UA spikes? Moreover, I don't think ND cares what UA thinks. I expect they will dump UA at the next opportunity.
Yes. ND's contract states specifically that Nike and Adidas footwear can not be used. In addition Under Armour makes track spikes. ND's contract is different than other universities contracts with Under Armour.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
lonesome moon wrote:
You realize these things aren’t mutually exclusive? All three can make the team.
It's true, but if Nuguse, Hocker and Teare are in 3:33ish shape (or faster) the path for Centro is pretty rough.
Firstly, massive props to Nuguse on an epic performance. Same goes for Hocker, Teare, Tanner, etc who are showing massive fitness (and shoes...).
But: are you guys still banging the drum about three guys [who've never raced anything of consequence outside the NCAA] as locks for the Oly team because they've run some fast TTs?
I won't go so far as to say Centro is a lock, but to pretend as if the newjacks are suddenly going to dominate championship (ie - not TT) racing, is short sighted. Centro might not be in 3:34 shape today, nor in June, but I wouldn't right him off to be FULLY in the mix with 150m to go in a 3:47 race.
Petterss wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Yeah, I think that you might find there is a train of thought that fluidity of/a relaxed arm carriage is pretty important to efficient running - especially at this level over the 1500/mile. But I could be wrong... but probably not. None of it is a criticism - Nuguse is a freaking stud and he ticks the box in the most important of criteria - courage and determination.
I am not saying his arm carriage is not important. He maybe could work on that at some point. I am just saying that his stride looks tremendous.
If Yared ever decides to use his arms properly, he could be one of the all time elites.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I’ve been on this train for weeks. Nuguse will make the Olympic team, and Hocker will too. Centro is cooked.
I predict neither makes the team.
Nuguse is the T-Rex Arms GOAT.
On the issue of shoes, I haven't seen anyone point out the likelihood of a placebo effect at this point. With all the hype and controversy, believing a shoe can help you deliver a fast performance will profoundly affect every aspect of your performances. If you think that your footwear gives you and edge over past performances, and you already have a high talent level, you are more likely to run aggressively like Yared did. It is one more bullet in the mental magazine of racing.
SeattleSilver wrote:
347893 wrote:
In complete violation of the contract that ND has with Under Armour. Carlson and Sparks have been in violation of that for years.
Do you know for a fact that the UA contract requires track athletes to wear UA spikes? Moreover, I don't think ND cares what UA thinks. I expect they will dump UA at the next opportunity.
SMH.....if Notre Dame was allowed to wear Nike they wouldn't have to remove or cover up the Nike swoosh logo! It's in violation of the contract that the university has with Under Armour.
Webb Has a Keg wrote:
Your move, Hocker fanboiz
Lol.
Dirtrunner wrote:
Man just soloed the standard and with a 3:34.68 in the ACC prelims
Did he advance to the final?
The list below was pulled from Peter Larsson's Track and Field All Time Performances pages: Fastest preliminary round 1500m times (from meets with heats/1st rounds, quarters, semis).
Assuming the list is complete, Nuguse ranks #10 all time world wide, and #1 USA. Most of these performances are from the World Champs and Olympic Games. His ACC heat performance is truly an outlier in several ways. At 3:35 and above, the feat is less rare. But below 3:35 is indeed rare, and it occurred in a mere conference meet. I am sure sub 3:40 qualifying marks have occurred at the USATF, NCAA, and some conference meets, but I do not know the fastest (or now second fastest) amongst those.
3:32.88 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:33.12 Fermin Cacho ESP 16.02.69 2s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:33.30 Abdi Bile SOM 28.12.62 3s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:33.57 William Tanui KEN 22.02.64 4s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:33.73 Laban Rotich KEN 20.01.69 5s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:33.99 Abdelati Iguider MAR 25.03.87 1s2 London 05.08.2012
3:34.35 Driss Maazouzi FRA 15.10.69 6s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:34.55 John Mayock GBR 26.10.70 7s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:34.60 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 2s2 London 05.08.2012
3:34.68 YARED NUGUSE USA 01.06.89 1h2 ACC/RALEIGH 13.05.2021
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3:34.69 Rashid Ramzi BRN 17.07.80 1s2 Helsinki 08.08.2005
3:34.70 Nick Willis NZL 25.04.83 3s2 London 05.08.2012
3:34.77 Mohamed Suleiman QAT 23.11.69 1s2 Barcelona 06.08.1992
3:34.80 Mohammed Moustaoui MAR 02.04.85 1h4 Beijing 15.08.2008
3:34.84 Abdelkader Chékhémani FRA 18.07.71 8s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:34.89 Nixon Chepseba KEN 12.12.90 4s2 London 05.08.2012
3:34.90 Matthew Centrowitz USA 18.10.89 5s2 London 05.08.2012
3:34.93 Fermin Cacho ESP 16.02.69 2s2 Barcelona 06.08.1992
3:35.00 Elijah Manangoi KEN 05.01.93 1s2 Beijing 28.08.2015
3:35.05 Taoufik Makhloufi ALG 29.04.88 2s2 Beijing 28.08.2015
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3:35.14 Branko Zorko CRO 01.07.67 9s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:35.15 Taoufik Makhloufi ALG 29.04.88 1h1 London 03.08.2012
3:35.18 Ilham Tanui Özbilen TUR 05.03.90 6s2 London 05.08.2012
3:35.20 Abdelati Iguider MAR 25.03.87 3s2 Beijing 28.08.2015
3:35.28A James Magut KEN 20.07.90 1h2 Nairobi 21.06.2019
3:35.29 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1s2 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:35.3A John Kibowen KEN 21.04.69 1h1 Nairobi 09.05.1997
3:35.40 Belal Mansoor Ali BRN 17.10.83 7s2 London 05.08.2012
3:35.41 Jonah Birir KEN 27.12.71 3s2 Barcelona 06.08.1992
3:35.47 Augustine Choge KEN 21.01.87 2h4 Beijing 15.08.2008
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3:35.53 Stephen Kipkorir KEN 24.10.70 2s2 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:35.55 Jim Spivey USA 07.03.60 4s2 Barcelona 06.08.1992
3:35.57 Balázs Tölgyesi HUN 10.01.73 10s1 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:35.58 Charlie Da'Vall Grice GBR 07.11.93 4s2 Beijing 28.08.2015
3:35.63 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1h1 Sevilla 21.08.1999
3:35.67 Abdi Bile SOM 28.12.62 1s1 Roma 04.09.1987
3:35.68 José Luis González ESP 08.12.57 2s1 Roma 04.09.1987
3:35.70 José Manuel Abascal ESP 17.03.58 1s1 Los Angeles 10.08.1984
3:35.71 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2s1 Los Angeles 10.08.1984
3:35.74 Timothy Cheruiyot KEN 20.11.95 5s2 Beijing 28.08.2015
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3:35.77 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 1s2 Helsinki 13.08.1983
3:35.78 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 3s1 Roma 04.09.1987
3:35.81 Sebastian Coe GBR 29.09.56 3s1 Los Angeles 10.08.1984
3:35.82 Joseph Chesire KEN 12.11.57 4s1 Roma 04.09.1987
3:35.82 David Kibet KEN 24.11.63 5s2 Barcelona 06.08.1992
3:35.82 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 1s1 Edmonton 10.08.2001
3:35.83 Joseph Chesire KEN 12.11.57 4s1= Los Angeles 10.08.1984
3:35.83 Peter Wirz SUI 29.07.60 4s1= Los Angeles 10.08.1984
3:35.84 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2s1 Athínai 22.08.2004
3:35.87 Mehdi Baala FRA 17.08.78 1h1 Beijing 15.08.2008
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3:35.88 Laban Rotich KEN 20.01.69 1h1 Atlanta 29.07.1996
3:35.88 Nixon Chepseba KEN 12.12.90 1s2 Moskva 16.08.2013
3:35.88 Robby Andrews USA 29.03.91 6s2 Beijing 28.08.2015
3:35.91 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 5s1 Roma 04.09.1987
3:35.91 Ali Hakimi TUN 24.04.76 3s2 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:35.91 Christian Obrist ITA 20.11.80 3h4 Beijing 15.08.2008
3:35.95 Matthew Centrowitz USA 18.10.89 2s2 Moskva 16.08.2013
3:35.97 Aman Wote ETH 18.04.84 7s2 Beijing 28.08.2015
3:36.00 Gert-Jan Liefers NED 26.09.78 3s1 Athínai 22.08.2004
3:36.0A Julius Kiptoo KEN 04.09.77 1h2 Nairobi 09.05.1997
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3:36.01 Mohamed Suleiman QAT 23.11.69 4s2 Atlanta 01.08.1996
3:36.01 Adil Kaouch MAR 01.01.79 2s1 Edmonton 10.08.2001
3:36.01 Nick Willis NZL 25.04.83 2h1 Beijing 15.08.2008
rojo wrote:
` wrote:
I'm sorry, WHAT. Did he solo it? How????
I retract all my Nuguse slander. I've been a moron for doubting him. I'm on the bandwagon. Nuguse for the Olympic team!!!!
Hop on board the bandwagon. I started briefly had a fling with Hocker but thankfully am back in the driver's seat.
So sick. Didn't have any rabbits. Here are the splits.
41.46
1:38.90 [57.44]
2:36.73 [57.83]
3:34.68 [57.95]
Rojo it sounds as if you hop back on the bandwagon after a successful performance?