Maybe Timothy Cheruiyot tries to get away early so that Jakob’s aggressive behavior does not impact his race.
Maybe Timothy Cheruiyot tries to get away early so that Jakob’s aggressive behavior does not impact his race.
facepalm wrote:
Even in the video you linked, you can see Ingebrigtsen loses balance before Rozmys. He gets cut off and then grabs Rozmys to avoid falling (which you can see in the picture). This sort of jostling happens all the time in 1500m races and should not be grounds for disqualification. The DQ in the women’s 3k was equally stupid.
He was trying to pass on the inside when there was absolutely no space. To accomplish that, he tried to shove/move the Polish guy, who was running on lane 1 in front of him out of his way, over to lane 2. When the Polish guy resisted because he "owned" his spot on lane 1 during that time, Jakob got in the inside. He did not even resist, it looked like he was just trying to keep balance while Jakob was pushing him. This is a common tactic of the Ingebrigtsen's by the way, seen it many times but it only led to a few DQ's to Filip so far.
Again - no one is saying that this is what made him win, but it is a CLEAR break of the rules. Yes, Jakob was the fittest 1500m runner on that day, but he still has to run the race and comply with all the rules to rightfully get credited the win. Otherwise, we could just test all runners for their lactate threshold and maybe VO2MAX in a lab and whoever lasts the longest can be declared winner.
Jakob comes across as a little arrogant bulky wanting to run without a crowd. He definitely could have handled that better than grabbing a jersey and falling inside the rail. He also should have been DQd at the start for his actions. Maybe that was the DQ?
Well, it shows another weakness in his game.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
facepalm wrote:
Even in the video you linked, you can see Ingebrigtsen loses balance before Rozmys. He gets cut off and then grabs Rozmys to avoid falling (which you can see in the picture). This sort of jostling happens all the time in 1500m races and should not be grounds for disqualification. The DQ in the women’s 3k was equally stupid.
He was trying to pass on the inside when there was absolutely no space. To accomplish that, he tried to shove/move the Polish guy, who was running on lane 1 in front of him out of his way, over to lane 2. When the Polish guy resisted because he "owned" his spot on lane 1 during that time, Jakob got in the inside. He did not even resist, it looked like he was just trying to keep balance while Jakob was pushing him. This is a common tactic of the Ingebrigtsen's by the way, seen it many times but it only led to a few DQ's to Filip so far.
Again - no one is saying that this is what made him win, but it is a CLEAR break of the rules. Yes, Jakob was the fittest 1500m runner on that day, but he still has to run the race and comply with all the rules to rightfully get credited the win. Otherwise, we could just test all runners for their lactate threshold and maybe VO2MAX in a lab and whoever lasts the longest can be declared winner.
He was already on the inside you moron. It’s obvious you’re only relying on the short clip you linked from Twitter and haven’t seen the whole race.
Watch the video starting at 15 seconds and slow it down to quarter speed. You can see Rozmys is in lane 2 and Ingebrigtsen is in lane 1. Rozmys starts moving in on the turn, and it is actually Ingebrigtsen who owns the spot and tries to defend it by maintaining position and putting a hand out to Rozmys to let him know there’s no space.
Ingebrigtsen has tried passing on the inside before when there was no room for him to do so but this is not what happened today.
facepalm wrote:
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
He was trying to pass on the inside when there was absolutely no space. To accomplish that, he tried to shove/move the Polish guy, who was running on lane 1 in front of him out of his way, over to lane 2. When the Polish guy resisted because he "owned" his spot on lane 1 during that time, Jakob got in the inside. He did not even resist, it looked like he was just trying to keep balance while Jakob was pushing him. This is a common tactic of the Ingebrigtsen's by the way, seen it many times but it only led to a few DQ's to Filip so far.
Again - no one is saying that this is what made him win, but it is a CLEAR break of the rules. Yes, Jakob was the fittest 1500m runner on that day, but he still has to run the race and comply with all the rules to rightfully get credited the win. Otherwise, we could just test all runners for their lactate threshold and maybe VO2MAX in a lab and whoever lasts the longest can be declared winner.
He was already on the inside you moron. It’s obvious you’re only relying on the short clip you linked from Twitter and haven’t seen the whole race.
Watch the video starting at 15 seconds and slow it down to quarter speed. You can see Rozmys is in lane 2 and Ingebrigtsen is in lane 1. Rozmys starts moving in on the turn, and it is actually Ingebrigtsen who owns the spot and tries to defend it by maintaining position and putting a hand out to Rozmys to let him know there’s no space.
Ingebrigtsen has tried passing on the inside before when there was no room for him to do so but this is not what happened today.
facepalm wrote:
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
He was trying to pass on the inside when there was absolutely no space. To accomplish that, he tried to shove/move the Polish guy, who was running on lane 1 in front of him out of his way, over to lane 2. When the Polish guy resisted because he "owned" his spot on lane 1 during that time, Jakob got in the inside. He did not even resist, it looked like he was just trying to keep balance while Jakob was pushing him. This is a common tactic of the Ingebrigtsen's by the way, seen it many times but it only led to a few DQ's to Filip so far.
Again - no one is saying that this is what made him win, but it is a CLEAR break of the rules. Yes, Jakob was the fittest 1500m runner on that day, but he still has to run the race and comply with all the rules to rightfully get credited the win. Otherwise, we could just test all runners for their lactate threshold and maybe VO2MAX in a lab and whoever lasts the longest can be declared winner.
He was already on the inside you moron. It’s obvious you’re only relying on the short clip you linked from Twitter and haven’t seen the whole race.
Watch the video starting at 15 seconds and slow it down to quarter speed. You can see Rozmys is in lane 2 and Ingebrigtsen is in lane 1. Rozmys starts moving in on the turn, and it is actually Ingebrigtsen who owns the spot and tries to defend it by maintaining position and putting a hand out to Rozmys to let him know there’s no space.
Ingebrigtsen has tried passing on the inside before when there was no room for him to do so but this is not what happened today.
You are obviously blinded by your support for Jakob.
Jakob's hand has no business grabbing the Rozmys's top, especially when Rozmys didn't initiate contact.
Oh but I know, it was Rozmys's singlet that grabbed Jakob's hand and made him lose balance.
Just watched it.
What a daft boy.
Why overtake on the inside in a slow moving championship race??? That's a totally amateur move. 100% the Pole has the right to hold his lane and defend his space (especially when your getting barged as well).
Maybe if he was still 17 and just appearing on the scene I'd have more sympathy, but this is far from the first incident with him (or his brothers) doing this sort of thing. He was lucky he didn't get DQ'd/fall flat on his face then, so no sympathy now.
Lewandowski after: (from Polish) "What medal did I get? I don't know. But I have to congratulate Jakob, today he was simply better."
henrik wrote:
Lewandowski after: (from Polish) "What medal did I get? I don't know. But I have to congratulate Jakob, today he was simply better."
Real classy dude right there.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
JBaller33 wrote:
Apparently he just said in an interview that if the DQ holds, he is leaving and will not race the 3,000.
So much about "not being crushed mentally". That's just the icing on the cake, even more unsportsmanlike behavior. Threatening European Athletics to not participate as best European runner in a very important event just because he - rightfully! - got DQ'ed is really at the bottom.
Why can't he just accept the decision and move on and show us what he can do in the 3000? Or is he afraid that he is so crushed mentally that he will lose?
That's the difference between Jakob and other great runners in the past. Geb would have laughed this off and crushed the 3k.
Lewandowski even very much shrugged off congratulations about his 1500m gold, arriving due to Ingebrigtsen's DQ. "No, no, I'm still waiting." That's a true competitor/champion, Jakob might be the fitter runner these days but this behavior is really annoying and bad for the sport.
One of the things that makes Jakob different from other great runners is that he's actually rocking up and doing as many competitions as he can...plenty of runners as good as him would just bin off the European Indoors and prep for the Olympics. Instead he's out there putting on a show for his country and fans.
I think the DQ was dubious and will get overturned. However, I can see both sides of the argument - I can also see why binning the whole thing off and skipping the 3k is a fair call to make. It's not weakness, it's a 'I'm here doing my thing and you've been overly punitive so 'eff you'...that's cool as f***
t4tttt43t wrote:
facepalm wrote:
He was already on the inside you moron. It’s obvious you’re only relying on the short clip you linked from Twitter and haven’t seen the whole race.
Watch the video starting at 15 seconds and slow it down to quarter speed. You can see Rozmys is in lane 2 and Ingebrigtsen is in lane 1. Rozmys starts moving in on the turn, and it is actually Ingebrigtsen who owns the spot and tries to defend it by maintaining position and putting a hand out to Rozmys to let him know there’s no space.
Ingebrigtsen has tried passing on the inside before when there was no room for him to do so but this is not what happened today.
You are obviously blinded by your support for Jakob.
Jakob's hand has no business grabbing the Rozmys's top, especially when Rozmys didn't initiate contact.
Oh but I know, it was Rozmys's singlet that grabbed Jakob's hand and made him lose balance.
If you refuse to watch the video I can’t help you. Anyone who watches the race objectively can see Rozmys was at fault. Contrary to your claim, he wasn’t pushed by Szogi. He simply moved in when there was no room to do so.
Hey guys, I think the horse is dead.
henrik wrote:
Lewandowski after: (from Polish) "What medal did I get? I don't know. But I have to congratulate Jakob, today he was simply better."
Ingebrigtsen after: "The decision is still under appeal. If it's upheld and I lose the gold, I guess I'll just go home. I'm not sure I'm going to race tomorrow in this situation, because the 1500 was my main goal," he said.
Both great runners, but a milestone difference in personality.
Well, whaddaya know.
another perspective wrote:
Just watched it.
What a daft boy.
Why overtake on the inside in a slow moving championship race??? That's a totally amateur move. 100% the Pole has the right to hold his lane and defend his space (especially when your getting barged as well).
Maybe if he was still 17 and just appearing on the scene I'd have more sympathy, but this is far from the first incident with him (or his brothers) doing this sort of thing. He was lucky he didn't get DQ'd/fall flat on his face then, so no sympathy now.
The Polish runner wasn’t holding his lane you imbecile. Ingebrigtsen was already on the inside. It’s incredible how many people are chiming in when it’s clear they haven’t even bothered to watch the race.
another perspective wrote:
Just watched it.
What a daft boy.
Why overtake on the inside in a slow moving championship race??? That's a totally amateur move. 100% the Pole has the right to hold his lane and defend his space (especially when your getting barged as well).
Maybe if he was still 17 and just appearing on the scene I'd have more sympathy, but this is far from the first incident with him (or his brothers) doing this sort of thing. He was lucky he didn't get DQ'd/fall flat on his face then, so no sympathy now.
Yup.
Stupid to allow himself to get swallowed up immediately.
Stupid to not be patient enough to let things settle in.
Stupid to put his hands on another runner.
Stupid to not keep his balance while on the rail.
Stupid gets DQ'd.
With Ingebrigtsen being butthurt about the DQ and deciding to skip the 3000m and going home (assuming he sticks to his words) , the "Lewandowski Triple" (becoming the first European runner ever to win Championship Gold in Indoor European Championship races in the 800, 1500 and 3000) that was being joked about few days ago might actually now become a reality. What a way to end a career and write history.
ABSOLUTELY THIS!! At 15 seconds, Rozmys arms are tucked into his chest as he squeezes through a gap that isn’t wide enough for him to clearly run through. He’s on the outside of Ingebritsen and then starts cutting directly across and into him into lane 1. Contact has already been made before Ingebritsen raises his arm onto Rozmys to try to steady himself. He had no other option, and was the only reason that he put a foot outside of the track.
It’s hard to see how anyone can argue against this, and my only conclusion for anything otherwise is down to just hating on Ingebritsen, which is quite evident from a lot of the comments on this thread.
Whether the DQ should stand or not is another matter, but whatever Ingebritsen has done in any other race is completely irrelevant to this incident.
It’s hilarious how every single post of yours on this thread is being proven wrong.
It's confirmed. No DQ. Jakob got the gold.