Drew Hunter runs indoor 1500m PB of 3:40.37 today at NBIGP

Drew is what, 22-23 yrs old? Just because hes not Jacob ingebrigtsen right now doesnt mean he's not going to improve, run sub 13 and 3:30. Wake up, have you had bad performances? Do you get that one or two disappointing seasons don't define a career?

Rational wrote:

Drew is what, 22-23 yrs old? Just because hes not Jacob ingebrigtsen right now doesnt mean he's not going to improve, run sub 13 and 3:30. Wake up, have you had bad performances? Do you get that one or two disappointing seasons don't define a career?

I’m fully awake, unfortunately. Drew Hunter is 23. He’s a full 3 years older than Jakob Ingebrigtsen. I just don’t see him running much faster, and as a fan of pro running on a running forum I’m permitted to voice that opinion.

I will bet you anything that he never runs sub-3:30. I mean, no American-born runner has ever run sub-3:30, and the last couple seasons give us no reason to think Hunter will be the first. Maybe if he had a 1:45 or better 800, it would seem plausible, but he doesn’t have that speed.

Haven't looked too much into tinman training. But it seems to lack race specific work and top end stuff. Like in general just seems to be just base phase work all year around. Like yeah a few 200s after some k reps during base phase to keep your body from losing it is fine. But does he ever do just a session focused on shorter reps? Or when he does some miles or kilometer reps, he'll progressive from 5:30 to sub 4:30. Which is fine during base training when you're getting back into workouts. But does he ever do 6 x 1k in sub 2:40? Can tinman get Canova to help him? Because a sub 4 miler in high school at this point in his career when he has been pro now should be running closer to sub 3:36 as opposed to not much faster than in high school. Or even get Alan Webb to come in help him with his form and strength. Throw in some hurdle drills and swimming.

He’s a real cutie he could make 100k on OnlyFans

A 17 year old kid from MI who had never run a race near 4:00 pace indoors finished in about 42.2 en route to his 3:57.66 mile last week.

We need to stop coddling our pros. Joking, but serious.

Tinman training is just really soft. Just look at this workout for example:

5xmile, starting at 4:43 for some reason??? That should be half marathon pace for a guy like Drew! And then they work down incrementally so that by the time they actually get down in something close to race pace, they only have 2 reps left to go. And this is supposed to be a tough session? Hell, that guy Joey that he's running with has never broken 4 in his life! He runs an 8:10 3k! Why is Drew training and finishing workouts with a guy like that?

When you compare Tinman to Bowerman or NOP the difference is really night and day. Does anyone remember Rupp's 5xmile workout of 4:20 down to 4:01, RIGHT AFTER he broke the American 2 mile record? I don't understand it...

Tinman Elite (1500-10k) guys have all had the same problem the whole time. It SEEMS that nothing has been added, subtracted, or changed in their training to fix the problem. I also SEEMS that TME guys are content with their just-barely elite status and have no interest in doing something more (or something different) than their current training. I could be wrong, but they do document a lot and I do watch the videos.

This is all pretty sad - I mean people who seem actively stoked that a talented dude is struggling - you guys are f-----g a--holes. Seriously.

It's hard to put a finger exactly on one thing but having a guy like Hunter on a very solid guaranteed deal, surrounded by guys who's best ticket to financial security is selling branded apparel and accessories along with being "cool" on social media just doesn't seem to work for pretty obvious reasons. Never saw it with Oregon Project, Bowerman, OTC and there is a reason (yes, amongst some other reasons too) why those athletes get the job done.

I honestly think Drew needs to step away from "Tinman" and make some changes. Has to get healthy, has to reassess his coaching situation and has to think about the things and people surrounding his life in and out of running. If your crews legacy in the sport is coming from t-shirt hat and water bottle sales then really it's time for a reset.

We shouldn't be rejoicing in the troubles of a very talented young dude who is also a really good dude. Good luck to Drew and let's hope he turns this around.

Who here is rejoicing? I've seen several comments with legitimate criticism of his training environment. Hopefully this race was a wake up call for him.

I mean dude the original post was basically mocking him and his "new indoor PR" - you didn't pick up on that? So who here - the OP for one. Okay, pick another word for "rejoicing" then if it offends you.

Bingo. After the incredible performances we’ve seen across the spectrum of high school, college, national pros, and world class pros over the last 12 months, the Tin Tins need to re-evaluate things big time. An obscure 17 year old just ram faster than their franchise player.

xcrfan87 wrote:

He makes well above 100k a year. Its closer to 300k from what Ive heard from people close to him. You have to remember he was one of the most hyped high school prospects of all time when he got the deal, which was enough to cause him to decommit from Oregon.

Just no. What value does he bring to adidas? People aren't buying adidas shoes because of Drew Hunter.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

I mean dude the original post was basically mocking him and his "new indoor PR" - you didn't pick up on that? So who here - the OP for one. Okay, pick another word for "rejoicing" then if it offends you.

I'm not offended I just think you're overly sensitive. This guy gets paid big bucks to run, we're allowed to be a bit critical from time to time.

Two things -- does anyone have any idea of how the TME branding and revenue stream works?Tinmen have mentioned it pays for housing/medicals for the team, but I would assume that Tinman himself would want a cut, as it's his team name, right?

Then to the most important part -- does Adidas supply the unbranded goods at cost, and if they do, why wouldn't Adidas be the one actually branding and officially sponsoring the team?

It seems to me that would be the best ROI on Drew's contract, which makes me think maybe it's actually an official Adidas team using essentially guerilla marketing tactics to attract a young crowd of buyers.

Second: "I’ve posted this before. It always gets deleted, probably because it’s true.

10 years; first 5 with no reductions. Approximately $400k/ year plus 100k to be spent on coaching, travel, etc. I believe it also included tuition should he continue his education, which I believe he did."

You can post it as many times as you want, there's no way that's true.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

I mean dude the original post was basically mocking him and his "new indoor PR" - you didn't pick up on that? So who here - the OP for one. Okay, pick another word for "rejoicing" then if it offends you.

I honestly think they wouldn't get any hate without their self-aggrandizing marketing (which Parsons is mostly behind). It's hard for many LRC posters to resist sh*tting on them when they don't live up to their own hype.

It’s crazy, but it’s true. The tuition part is also true and they paid for Drew to go to CU.

So all those people saying he shouldn’t have gone pro so early - here is your reason why he did.

I've been around elite runners a lot more than you have and I don't see a problem nor do I think your "criticism" is legitimate. All it proves is anonymous trolls are able to spew their vapid opinions on the internet. Hunter seems to be right where you'd want to be in February.

$300k+

Its hilarious to see people say "they are in this shape, but its only Jan, Feb, etc" there have been an abundance of world and national records falling recently because 2020 was not a normal year and 2021 won't be normal either. Opportunities to race are few and far between and most top athletes seem to be taking advantage of this so to make excuses for someones fitness based on the month is a problematic imo.