Collegian Luis Grijalva smokes Drew Hunter (7:42 to 7:44), Nick Young fails to break 8:00

move on already wrote:

Anyone else starting to think Hunter & his fanboys’ obsession with Fisher has become a massive detriment at this point?

I mean, let’s look where we are:

Hunter skipped the NCAA experience to train like a pro and become world class. Clearly a huge advantage for your individual long term development if you have the HS credentials to do it.

Fisher went to Stanford and earned an engineering degree, while adhering to the NCAA three season framework.

PRs...

Hunter - Fisher

3:35.9 - 3:36.2

7:39.9 - 7:42 (indoors two years ago)

13:21 - 13:11

Who would you rather be right now? (Especially considering they’re actually basically the same age.)

Can I see their bank accounts? And current endorsement contracts?

Was a Stanford degree even a possibility for Grant?

Personally, I think both are probably having the times of their lives. As Chrisl Lear said to me recently, "Do you remember when we were young and our only care in the world was having rent paid and trying to run fast?"

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Just another reminder.

I think it's a bit premature to put a cap on Hunter's potential. We've seen super-talented Americans stagnate at points in their career, only to see big breakthroughs again in their mid-20's. Webb had a few up and down years there inbetween his high school 3:53, and his 07 American record. Solinsky plateaued for a bit before his monster 2010 season. Rupp was consistently making teams, but he wasn't relevant in any of those international championships for a while. This isn't high school where you pr by 5sec every year. Improvements aren't strictly linear in your 20's.

Hunter was also out for quite a long time with that foot injury. If I'm gonna sell my Drew Hunter stock, I need to see more than a 2sec loss in 7:44 to a guy who is THE ncaa stud right now.

Definitely looking forward to the Grijalva/Teare matchup. Teare with speed and Grijalva with strength battling it out in the 3k/5k

Truly tragic the kid couldn't win FL his junior year. How could he possibly make up for that?

3:57.81i Drew Hunter (Loudoun Valley, Purcellville, Virginia) 2016

3:58.1 ————Ryun 1965

3:58.25i ————Hunter 2016

3:58.3 ————Ryun 1965

3:58.86 ————Hunter 2016

3:59.0 ————*Ryun 1964

3:59.30 Reed Brown (Carroll, Southlake, Texas) 2017

3:59.38 Matthew Maton (Summit, Bend, Oregon) 2015

3:59.38 Grant Fisher (Grand Blanc, Michigan) 2015

What a shame Drew, as a now-23-year-old, owns his home in Boulder. What a shame that adidas financially set him up for life right out of high school. What a shame Drew didn't prostitute himself to Oregon, hoping he could hold together well enough physically for four or five years to get some sort of pro contract upon graduation. He took the funny money and literally ran with it. Great for him.

Someone commented that Tinman is an out-of-state coach. Didn't he relocate to Boulder?

I may have missed it when skimming through all previous entries, but I don't think anyone mentioned the fact that TWICE, not once, Drew smoked Grant in track races - the Brooks 2-miler, of course, but also the 2015 USATF Junior Nationals 1500, when Blake Haney won, Drew was second, and Grant was third. (I don't think Drew and Grant have raced against one another since then.)

It's only a matter of time before a disgruntled Fisher fanboy, or fangirl, chimes in that once again Grant wasn't trying to do well in that USATF race, so the fact that Drew beat Grant for a second time is inconsequential. Yeah, sure.

Looking forward to Drew and Grant and Luis and Nico and Sean McGorty and...and...and so on going at one another in competition. More power and wealth to 'em. And success, though I'm a Drew fanboy, so I have my preferences.

If you think some Adidas Execs aren’t asking “WhyTF did we do that again?”, you’re crazy. They could’ve given him 1/3 of that and had the same result.

Sure- take a look I guess. Better have a BIG lead built up... ‘cause that Stanford engineering degree will be closing HARD in the years to come. Though I’m sure it’ll be complimented with a nice elite grad degree at some point. We all know how it works.

(Did you mean for ‘Drew’ regarding the degree?...because otherwise I don’t get your second question.)

I never said Drew isn’t having fun; how could he not be? But that wasn’t my question.

After 4 years, the guy that took the pro route and all the associated benefits hasn’t run any faster than the guy locked into a 3 season cycle and challenging curriculum.

Let’s all stop beating around the bush here: If Hunter were smart, he’d drop his high school / grifter (hot word this year) coach with the shiitty logo and join the Bowerman team. Especially after the years of the base/threshold work he’s now done. He could pretend it was all part of the plan. A new, refreshing training stimulus could quite possibly do wonders. And he has no more time to waste- he’s 23 now.

2X FL Champion

2X Indoor Mile Champion

2X Dream Mile Champion

Pretty hard to just switch to Nike sponsored Bowerman when you have a few more years on your adidas contract. That should be obvious, right?

No one's focusing on Nick Young, he's been doing great after HS when everyone said his HS coach Shawn Brosnan would burn him out, I hear his old training partner Jase Ashenburger is doing pretty well in Colorado too, future looks bright for these studs.

He hasn't done anything to make you say he is not burned out. Running slower outdoor in college than indoor in high school is not showing improvement.

Not true. Mo Farah left adidas mid-contract to sign with Nike and NOP.

adidas would not like that wrote:

Pretty hard to just switch to Nike sponsored Bowerman when you have a few more years on your adidas contract. That should be obvious, right?

Race to top wrote:

He hasn't done anything to make you say he is not burned out. Running slower outdoor in college than indoor in high school is not showing improvement.

I'm talking about Nick Young, not Nico Young you jokester, these are completely different people

Do you even follow the sport?

Yes. Brosnan didn't coach Nick Young.

Did you guys just start following professional running?. it is not like Drew should be setting PR's in November. A Top collegiate runner most years can beat a professional runner in a november 3k. Unless we are talking about a world champion or something of that caliber. That is all there is to it. Grant was not in this race so to bring him in the conversation means you are hating and trying to diminish Drew's race...which again was a 3k in NOVEMBER.

I get that drew and Grant will always be compared because they are from the same era of high school running but are you guys literally waiting to do this every time drew touches the track?

Also Drew definitely had a better high school career than Grant. Age is irrelevant there too.

westsouthrunner wrote:

Did you guys just start following professional running?. it is not like Drew should be setting PR's in November. A Top collegiate runner most years can beat a professional runner in a november 3k. Unless we are talking about a world champion or something of that caliber. That is all there is to it. Grant was not in this race so to bring him in the conversation means you are hating and trying to diminish Drew's race...which again was a 3k in NOVEMBER.

I get that drew and Grant will always be compared because they are from the same era of high school running but are you guys literally waiting to do this every time drew touches the track?

Also Drew definitely had a better high school career than Grant. Age is irrelevant there too.

Who cares if it's November? Hunter wouldn't have raced if he wasn't ready. He had done a bunch of time trials prior to this race, too. He signed up to run a 5k in under 13:15 in a couple weeks so he has definitely been preparing.

Grijalva was training for 8k/10k and still beat Hunter in the 3k. Most people would say the 3k is Hunter's best event.

One thing we can all agree on is that Tinman is the worst "pro" coach in the country.

cramister wrote:

Race to top wrote:

He hasn't done anything to make you say he is not burned out. Running slower outdoor in college than indoor in high school is not showing improvement.

I'm talking about Nick Young, not Nico Young you jokester, these are completely different people

Do you even follow the sport?

Most surprising is Nick Young running 9:03-05 and beating Nico Young who didn’t even break 9:10. Everyone was on the Nico bandwagon coming out of high school, yet completely overlooked Nick who wasn’t listed as a top recruit anywhere and wasn’t even coached by Brosnan.

Of course that the time of the year matters...

Last week (or the week before?) Paul Chelimo, Olympic medalist, got beat by Mason Ferlic. He clearly wasn't 100% ready but he was clearly using the race as some sort of marker for his upcoming training or whatever. These guys don't race every time to try and compete at 100%, but for any number of reasons.

Drew clearly did this race as a sharpener for the 5k in a few weeks, and based off a 7.44 I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility he goes on an runs 13.10 ish or even under [a second or so slower per lap] in a more competitive racing field with a proper taper etc.