Jakob and Filip to run 800m on tuesday june 30th

El G never ran faster than 1:47 in a race but did finish a race in 1:46 (I think)

Just let them have fun.

The IngBros are capable of 1:43 but I estimate 1:45 next week.

ex-runner wrote:

What's the correlation? wrote:

What's the correlation between a 2 000m and a 800m?

None.

Absolutely none.

Jakob last year in my estimation could have run in perfect races:

1:45.5 3:29.5 12:55

Some might raise an eyebrow at the 5k time.

But really, if you are objective, the guys like Edris, Barega, Kejelcha etc can literally run low 12:40s. They have even proved so. Even Mo Ahmed is probably low 12:50s.

They are just downplayed mainly because Farah used to slap them about and nobody likes him.

That is why they destroyed Jakob at Doha, because they can run 10-15s faster than him in a 5k.

Jakob got smacked in the 5,000m in Doha because...... it was in Doha. It was a home race, in a climate they know well. Ethiopians always do really good in the middle eastern road races. Doha in Oct is way different from Norway. Doha is way different from St Moritz too. FYI a very close friend ran a distance event in Doha.

So many commenters here just don't get it. You don't run a respectable 800 time without speed. Endurance alone won't cut it. What has Jakob ever shown that he has 48x capacity over 400, which is what he would need to be sub-1.45?

Armstronglivs wrote:

So many commenters here just don't get it. You don't run a respectable 800 time without speed. Endurance alone won't cut it. What has Jakob ever shown that he has 48x capacity over 400, which is what he would need to be sub-1.45?

+1

Time and time again he gets smoked by Lewandowski and other runners in the last 100/200m of 1500m races, and Lewandowski is not a super speed guy, his 400 PR is 47.7. Observing the massive speed difference in the 1500, I doubt Jakob can even run sub 49 out of the blocks.

He is good for 1:45 with his massive endurance (13:02 5k), but wouldn't be surprised if he fails to even hit that and run 1:46 or slower, and 1:44:xx or faster is totally out of the question.

He is even more slow-twitch than El Guerrouj was, who was a 1500/3k/5k guy. El Guerrouj was 4s faster in the 1500, and struggled to run a good 800. If he had 1:42/1:43 capacity, he would have shown it off in a race. And if El G can't run 1:43, Jakob can't run 1:44, and will struggle with even 1:45:xx.

the249kilometrist wrote:

objectiveobserver wrote:

Do you have some arguments for your postulate?

Many closeted fans have this weird mental strategy where they postulate overly pessimistic expectations such that the outcome either leaves them being correct, or positively surprised.

No I just think much like Jakob's current 800m PB is 1:49 but he has run 3:30 in the 1500m, Jakob will continue to infrequently race the 800m. This will mean he doesn't get much practice at the event, and with his lack of basic speed will not get the opportunity to break 1:45.

Henrik is 29. His PB is 3:31 and his 800m PB remains at 1:48.

Filip is 27. His PB is 3:30.01, the fastest of them all. His 800m PB remains at 1:47.8.

Basically, Gjert doesn't have them race the 800 often, doesn't do the speed or lactic work required. The focus of their training is on endurance. He clearly doesn't see the value of the 800 for the 1500m or he doesn't care about it. That's probably not gonna change.

A bunch of knuckleheads were arguing that Nico Young could run 49. Now some of you claim that Jakob can only run 49 even though he can beat Young by 100 meters in a mile and 75 meters in an 800. I didn't realize Young was a speed guy. I assumed it was strength.

Ex.runner wrote:

"Jakob last year in my estimation could have run in perfect races:

1:45.5 3:29.5 12:55" and

"Doesn't change that Jakob will never break 1:45 in his career. "

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So you are singing the same false melody as many on these pages that Jakob will more or less make no improvements from age 18 to the end of his career?

IF YOU ARE RIGHT that he could have run 800m in 1:45.5 last year I will predict that he will go through 1:44 later in his career, fore example if he comes back to the 800m after 3 more years.

But let´s see how fast he can go tuesday. I have no firm predictions for that race because I don´t know his preparations.

But he has a nasty habit to disappoint all the negativists by going some faster than expected.

Remember how Jakob was laughing stock before the 2000m at Impossible Games where many stated that he would never go faster than the likes of Medhi Baala, Daniel Komen, Sydney Maree and more.

That is a lame excuse. The whole stadium in Doha was cooled down. Nobody had any temperature problem in the stadium.

Only the marathoners and eacewalkers suffered because they ran outside.

2000m is right in his strengths. The 800m is not.

I am not saying he won't improve over time,.I'm just saying he is unlikely to run the 800m enough, or do the specific work required, to run a good 800m.

None of the Ingebrigtsens ever race the 800 enough to have good personal bests. Henrik is at the end of his career with a 3:31 1500 and 1:48 800 best.

No I just think much like Jakob's current 800m PB is 1:49 but he has run 3:30 in the 1500m, Jakob will continue to infrequently race the 800m. This will mean he doesn't get much practice at the event, and with his lack of basic speed will not get the opportunity to break 1:45.

Henrik is 29. His PB is 3:31 and his 800m PB remains at 1:48.

Filip is 27. His PB is 3:30.01, the fastest of them all. His 800m PB remains at 1:47.8.

Basically, Gjert doesn't have them race the 800 often, doesn't do the speed or lactic work required. The focus of their training is on endurance. He clearly doesn't see the value of the 800 for the 1500m or he doesn't care about it. That's probably not gonna change.

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You can´t compare Jakob´s 800 PB at 16 with his 1500m PB at 18! At 16 Jakob ran 3:40 in the 1500m!

You can´t compare Jakob with Henrik and Filip since Jakob (also in the 800m) has been so much better that his older brothers. As Jakob has been much better than almost all toprunners according to the following statistics (note that I have added a number of runners to my earlier post!):

Steve Ovett. age 17 1:47.34; age 22 1:44.09

Seb Coe. age 20 1:44.95; age 24 1:41.73

Steve Cram. age 20 1:46.29; age 24 1:42.88

El-Guerrouj. age 20 1;47.18

Marcin Lewandowski. age 17 1:51.73; age 19 1.46.69; age 28 1:43.72; age 32 1:43.74

T. Makhloufi. age 21 1:49.40; age 28 1:42.61

Centrowitz. age 20 1:51.40; age 25 1:44.62

Elijah Manangoi. age 22 1:47.40; age 25 1:44.15

Craig Engels. age 16 1:55.37; age 19 1: 51.03; age 25 1:44.63

Jake Wightman. age 18 1:52.16; age 19 1:48.01: age 24 1:44.61

Timothy: age 18 1:45.92; age 23 1;43.11

Kalle Berglund. age 16 1:58.39; age 19 1:46.85; age 22 1:46.63

Drew Hunter. age 16 1:59.55; age 18 1:48.64; age 20 1:48.57

Josh Kerr. age 16 1:53.80; age 19 1:48.05; age 21 1:45.35

Medhi Baala: age 17 1.49.62; age 19 1:49.71; age 23 1:43.15

Mo Farah: age 19 1:51.97; age 25 1:48.25

Souleiman. age 18 1:51.78; age 19 1:47.45; age 22 1:42.97

Iguider. age 17 1:49.65; age 19 1:48.00; age 28 1:46.67

Nick Symmonds. age 19 1:49.51; age 28 1:42.95

Duane Solomon. age 17 1:51.76; age 19 1:47.45; age 27 1:42.82

Henrik Ingebrigtsen. age 16 1:54.26; age 19 1:50.84; age 23 1:48.09

Filip Ingebrigtsen. age 17 1:54.65; age 19 1:50.52; age 23 1:47.79

Jakob Ingebrigtsen. age 14 1:52.60; age 15 1:51.07; age 16 1:49.40; age 19 ???

From this statistics you can at least conclude 2 things

1.Jakob was far better in his mid teens than almost all the above mentioned top runners. Only Ovett, Coe and Timothy seem to be close or better (even though we don´t know their early teen times)

2. Every single toprunner has improved significantly up into their twenties and some even into their late twenties.

And I will ask as before on these pages: Why should Jakob develop differently?

By the way: I think Filip could set PB with 1.5- 2 seconds tuesday. But I maintain that Jakob will run faster than Filip.

Why don’t you use the quote function like a normal person? Many of your posts are hardly readable.

I have already told you that people who set very fast times in their teens don't improve much after that.

It has been proved many times but you still don't understand it.

Read my post and understand it.

Do you think Henrik could only run 1:48 for 800m at his best? Or Filip only 1:47.8?

No, of course they could have run much faster. But they haven't.

That is what I am saying will happen to Jakob also.

Gjert doesn't have them run the 800. In a perfect race Jakob might break 1:45 one day. He will likely never get the opportunity to do so. This might be his best shot ever in fact, if the pacing is good.

You have proved nothing and you are immune to reasoning!

Otherwise you would understand the above statistics!

objectiveobserver wrote:

You have proved nothing and you are immune to reasoning!

Otherwise you would understand the above statistics!

You are immune to understanding, it seems.

Please tell me when Jakob will run faster than 1:45? Him and the brothers only run one 800 every 3-5 years.

To run 3:30, you need to average 56 seconds per lap or 1:52/800m.

56, 1:52, 2:48, 3:30 (42). That pace also gets you to 3:44 for 1600m or about 3:45.6 for the mile.

Jakob's run marginally over 3:30 (and let up just before the finish in the race where he would have broken 3:30), so he can sustain 1:52 pace through 1500m. How is a guy with that ability going to be able to run 800m slower than 1:47? It might take a few attempts, as we saw with Alan Webb, but he's going to run 1:45 this year and has the trainable speed to run 1:43 eventually, especially if he switches coaches some day! Unlikely, of course, but he just needs a few months of 800m training to do it.

Weather forecast: rainy/cloudy 18c no wind. Boysen memorial, the name of the meet, is to comemorate Audun Boysen, middle distance runner, with a PB of 1:45.9. There is a special prize money of about 1000$ to the best runner better than 1:45.9. I suppose pacing will target sub 1:45.9. As Hushom and Andreas Roth are registered I would assume they will do the pacing duties with Hushom first lap and Andreas to 500m.

Gjert claims Jakob has gained muscles and weight since last year and has more power.

Jakob concider participating in a meet in Karlstad, sweden july 8th, despite he has to confine at home for 10 days upon his return to Norway. He is allowed to perform his professional duties though which means training.