johnny99 wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Thanks and I hope you and your family are well, too! My only point - Obama and Lois Lerner were targeting conservative groups. Obama did NOT want Trump to win the election. If Trump had truly committed tax fraud, Obama and Lois and the rest of the IRS who DID HAVE ACCESS TO ALL of Trump's tax records would have prosecuted him in a heartbeat if anything was amiss. Trump pays dearly to his tax attorneys to EFFING DO THE RIGHT RETURNS. Why would they EVER commit tax fraud???????? Trump would fire them right away. They would lose their law license.
You are saying that Trump's tax attorneys are committing TAX FRAUD??? That is what you are saying. These tax attorneys make 7 figures and they are going to risk their law license and everything just to save Trump a few 100K?? Come on Agip -= think a little
I would just point out that Trump's personal attorney is in jail for what he did when he worked for Trump, so the idea that a lawyer wouldn't bend the rules, or break the law, as part of his representation of Trump isn't so far fetched.
Johnny - think about this.
Trump does not do his tax returns.
He pays the top tax attorneys in NYC to do them.
These guys are le creme de le creme. They work for the most prestigious law firms in the state.
His tax attorneys make over $1 million a year. They have spent 20 years on their careers and work for the top law firms in the city.
They are really going to jeopardize not only their annual incomes but also their entire careers to save one of their clients a few 100K? If they commit tax fraud - their career is done. They face prison time. Their partnership at the law firm is gone. They are really going to throw away millions of dollars to save one low-life a few 100K????
Sally Vix wrote:
johnny99 wrote:
I would just point out that Trump's personal attorney is in jail for what he did when he worked for Trump, so the idea that a lawyer wouldn't bend the rules, or break the law, as part of his representation of Trump isn't so far fetched.
Johnny - think about this.
Trump does not do his tax returns.
He pays the top tax attorneys in NYC to do them.
These guys are le creme de le creme. They work for the most prestigious law firms in the state.
His tax attorneys make over $1 million a year. They have spent 20 years on their careers and work for the top law firms in the city.
They are really going to jeopardize not only their annual incomes but also their entire careers to save one of their clients a few 100K? If they commit tax fraud - their career is done. They face prison time. Their partnership at the law firm is gone. They are really going to throw away millions of dollars to save one low-life a few 100K????
Sentenced:
Former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort: Sentenced to 7.5 years in prison this March for bank and tax fraud and crimes related to his work as a political consultant in Ukraine.
Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen: Received a three-year prison sentence in Dec. 2018 for tax evasion, bank fraud, lying to Congress and campaign finance violations.
Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos: Convicted of lying to investigators about about Russian contacts. He served 12 days in prison and in October, filed to run for former Rep. Katie Hill's California seat.
Richard Pinedo: The California man was sentenced to six months in prison in Oct. 2018 for selling bank account numbers to Russians who engaged in election interference. He has no known connection to Trump.
Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan: Pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his work for law firm Skadden, Arps, Meagher, & Flom LLP and Affiliates in 2012. He was sentenced to 30 days in prison and a $20,000 fine.
Ex-Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates: Pleaded guilty in Feb. 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI. After cooperating extensively in multiple investigations, Gates was sentenced in December to 45 days in jail, three years of probation and 300 hours of community service.
Roger Stone: Sentenced to 40 months in prison for crimes that include obstruction of justice, lying to Congress and witness tampering. A federal jury convicted Stone last year after he lied to Congress about his efforts to learn more about when WikiLeaks would publish damaging emails about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.
Former national security adviser Michael Flynn: The retired three-star general pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in Dec. 2017.
agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Johnny - think about this.
Trump does not do his tax returns.
He pays the top tax attorneys in NYC to do them.
These guys are le creme de le creme. They work for the most prestigious law firms in the state.
His tax attorneys make over $1 million a year. They have spent 20 years on their careers and work for the top law firms in the city.
They are really going to jeopardize not only their annual incomes but also their entire careers to save one of their clients a few 100K? If they commit tax fraud - their career is done. They face prison time. Their partnership at the law firm is gone. They are really going to throw away millions of dollars to save one low-life a few 100K????
Sentenced:
Former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort: Sentenced to 7.5 years in prison this March for bank and tax fraud and crimes related to his work as a political consultant in Ukraine.
Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen: Received a three-year prison sentence in Dec. 2018 for tax evasion, bank fraud, lying to Congress and campaign finance violations.
Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos: Convicted of lying to investigators about about Russian contacts. He served 12 days in prison and in October, filed to run for former Rep. Katie Hill's California seat.
Richard Pinedo: The California man was sentenced to six months in prison in Oct. 2018 for selling bank account numbers to Russians who engaged in election interference. He has no known connection to Trump.
Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan: Pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his work for law firm Skadden, Arps, Meagher, & Flom LLP and Affiliates in 2012. He was sentenced to 30 days in prison and a $20,000 fine.
Ex-Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates: Pleaded guilty in Feb. 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI. After cooperating extensively in multiple investigations, Gates was sentenced in December to 45 days in jail, three years of probation and 300 hours of community service.
Roger Stone: Sentenced to 40 months in prison for crimes that include obstruction of justice, lying to Congress and witness tampering. A federal jury convicted Stone last year after he lied to Congress about his efforts to learn more about when WikiLeaks would publish damaging emails about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.
Former national security adviser Michael Flynn: The retired three-star general pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in Dec. 2017.
How many of those worked on Trump's tax returns? The answer - NONE.
Sally Vix wrote:
agip wrote:
Sentenced:
Former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort: Sentenced to 7.5 years in prison this March for bank and tax fraud and crimes related to his work as a political consultant in Ukraine.
Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen: Received a three-year prison sentence in Dec. 2018 for tax evasion, bank fraud, lying to Congress and campaign finance violations.
Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos: Convicted of lying to investigators about about Russian contacts. He served 12 days in prison and in October, filed to run for former Rep. Katie Hill's California seat.
Richard Pinedo: The California man was sentenced to six months in prison in Oct. 2018 for selling bank account numbers to Russians who engaged in election interference. He has no known connection to Trump.
Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan: Pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his work for law firm Skadden, Arps, Meagher, & Flom LLP and Affiliates in 2012. He was sentenced to 30 days in prison and a $20,000 fine.
Ex-Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates: Pleaded guilty in Feb. 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI. After cooperating extensively in multiple investigations, Gates was sentenced in December to 45 days in jail, three years of probation and 300 hours of community service.
Roger Stone: Sentenced to 40 months in prison for crimes that include obstruction of justice, lying to Congress and witness tampering. A federal jury convicted Stone last year after he lied to Congress about his efforts to learn more about when WikiLeaks would publish damaging emails about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.
Former national security adviser Michael Flynn: The retired three-star general pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in Dec. 2017.
How many of those worked on Trump's tax returns? The answer - NONE.
hey here's MORE evidence that Trump is a cheat.
Sally I KNOW this evidence is being absorbed by you and you will come to agree Trump is a criminal. Because you are after the truth and not just blindly looking for ways to own the libs by supporting Trump.
NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today announced that the New York Supreme Court ordered Donald J. Trump to pay $2 million in damages for improperly using charitable assets to intervene in the 2016 presidential primaries and further his own political interests. The award is part of Attorney General James’ lawsuit against the Donald J. Trump Foundation and its directors — Mr. Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump.
agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
How many of those worked on Trump's tax returns? The answer - NONE.
hey here's MORE evidence that Trump is a cheat.
Sally I KNOW this evidence is being absorbed by you and you will come to agree Trump is a criminal. Because you are after the truth and not just blindly looking for ways to own the libs by supporting Trump.
NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today announced that the New York Supreme Court ordered Donald J. Trump to pay $2 million in damages for improperly using charitable assets to intervene in the 2016 presidential primaries and further his own political interests. The award is part of Attorney General James’ lawsuit against the Donald J. Trump Foundation and its directors — Mr. Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump.
You mentioned tax, wire and bank fraud earlier and repeatedly. This talks about improperly using charitable assets to intervene in the election. No mention of tax, wire or bank fraud.
Again, Trump does not do his own tax returns.
Trumps pays top dollar for the top tax attorneys in NYC to do his tax returns and cross ever t and dot every i.
These tax attorneys have devoted their lives to their careers and work for the best law firms in NYC.
They make millions each year as partners in their very prestigious law firms.
If they were to commit tax fraud, they would be fired from their very esteemed position at their law firm, they would lost their partnership and they would be prosecuted for tax fraud.
All to save a low-life a few 100K? Really?
Sally Vix wrote:
johnny99 wrote:
I would just point out that Trump's personal attorney is in jail for what he did when he worked for Trump, so the idea that a lawyer wouldn't bend the rules, or break the law, as part of his representation of Trump isn't so far fetched.
Johnny - think about this.
Trump does not do his tax returns.
He pays the top tax attorneys in NYC to do them.
These guys are le creme de le creme. They work for the most prestigious law firms in the state.
His tax attorneys make over $1 million a year. They have spent 20 years on their careers and work for the top law firms in the city.
They are really going to jeopardize not only their annual incomes but also their entire careers to save one of their clients a few 100K? If they commit tax fraud - their career is done. They face prison time. Their partnership at the law firm is gone. They are really going to throw away millions of dollars to save one low-life a few 100K????
You're making a lot of assumptions there. Do you know who Trump's tax attorneys are, or were? Are they insulated from criminal liability if they accept the information that Trump gives them? Is the criminality even based on his tax returns, as opposed to bank loan applications? There's lot's of questions here.
There's a story about how Trump at one point was trying to use eminent domain to kick a little old lady out of her house in Atlantic City, so he could build a casino. She wouldn't sell, no matter how much he offered. So he sued her. The lady's attorney questioned Trump at a deposition, and apparently made such a positive impression that Trump called the lawyer the next day and tried to hire him to represent Trump in eminent domain matters. The guy refused, rightfully so because it would have been a conflict of interest. But the guy wasn't some high priced legal eagle from a white shoe NYC firm, he was just some guy that agreed to represent a little old lady against the rich, powerful guy who was trying to take her house.
Also, Michael Cohen got hired after speaking up on Trump's behalf at a condo board meeting. I'm not sure what he did before becoming Trump's fixer, but he wasn't some 7 figure a year lawyer.
So you may be wrong about the lawyers who work for Trump, what Trump asked them to do, and what they were willing to do as part of their representation of Trump.
Isn't Weisselberg (?), the CFO of the Trump Organization, also under investigation. Or maybe he is cooperating. Too lazy to look it up, but that's not a good sign for Trump.
My understanding is that part of what is being investigated is whether Trump inflated the value of his assets to banks to get loans while diminishing the value of those same assets for the tax man. There's also the payments to Stormy and Karen McD (I see why they might violate federal election law, but I'm not sure where the NY DA is going with it). I'm sure there's much more to it than that, but that's what's publicly known.
Last year, ProPublica revealed discrepancies about the information the Trump Organization told tax authorities and lenders about its business. Vance's office is looking into those allegations, according to people familiar with the matter.
Cohen, Trump's former personal attorney, told Congress in 2018 that he believed Trump artificially inflated the value of some of his assets in dealings with insurers and banks. Cohen offered only three internal financial documents as his proof, but no other documents to bolster his claims.
The district attorney's office interviewed Cohen as part of its Trump investigation at least three times last year, CNN has previously reported. People familiar with the inquiry say Cohen was asked about the range of allegations he has made against the President.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/03/politics/trump-new-york-vance-investigation/index.htmlagip wrote:
johnny99 wrote:
And at least according to 538, Texas is a toss up as well.
So, if you assume Biden will win PA and MI and all the states that Clinton won, then Trump HAS to win AZ, NC, FLA, TX, OH, WI, and GA, all of which are either polling for Biden or are a toss up. And win every other state that he won 4 years ago. Very little margin for error for Trump, and lots of opportunity for Biden.
Trump may want to focus on Wisconsin, but that may not be enough. Even if he gives up on Michigan, he's going to have to spend money to defend 6 - 8 states, so he'll be spread pretty thin. Winning Wisconsin won't do it for him if he loses AZ or any other of these battlegrounds.
2) Rush a vaccine into service in October
Unlikely but I think the plan is to be able to say a vaccine will be in place "very soon" whatever that means.
TTH wrote:
Unlikely but I think the plan is to be able to say a vaccine will be in place "very soon" whatever that means.
Trump in October, 'buy my Trump's Magic 45 covid cure all oil'. Then in November, 'The deep state, democrats, illegal media, and never Trumpers all conspired to prevent my Trump's Magic 45 from reaching you before you vote. So, vote them all out!'
https://sparrowchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Snake-Oil-Salesman.jpgJust a quick note here: The phrase is "la crème de la crème"--"crème" is a feminine noun.
If "crème" were a masculine noun, the phrase would be "le crème du crème."
Now you know. Carry on.
Remember this one? Want to know how Trump got away with crime for decades?
When the NYS district attorney found probable fraud in the Trump business, Trump paid him off with a $31,000 campaign contribution. Like magic, the case disappeared.
NY State is the worst.
Galaxy Brain Trump:
Wapo:
President Trump’s unfounded attacks on mail balloting are discouraging his own supporters from embracing the practice, according to polls and Republican leaders across the country, prompting growing alarm that one of the central strategies of his campaign is threatening GOP prospects in November.
Multiple public surveys show a growing divide between Democrats and Republicans about the security of voting by mail, with Republicans saying they are far less likely to trust it in November. In addition, party leaders in several states said they are encountering resistance among GOP voters who are being encouraged to vote absentee while also seeing the president describe mail voting as “rigged” and “fraudulent.”
Trump’s CFO was given immunity for testimony two years ago.
I wonder what happened that.
That may come out at some point.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1L91MS
Yeah, about that... wrote:
Say what you will, but The Gap continues to close: now just above *thirteen* percentage points.
Complacency could kill the Dems, just as it did four years ago. Pro tip: Take the victory lap *after* you win.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Complacency didn't kill the Democrats in 2016. Voters actually hated Hillary Clinton. She won the popular vote. That doesn't show complacency. She just didn't have a strong enough backing to win in all the states where she needed to, again because people hated her. No one hates Joe Biden.
agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Just ridiculous to say, Agip, that Trump has been committing bank, tax and wife fraud for decades. Just outrageous to say that. The Southern District of NY and the Manhattan DA and every other DA in NY are bastions of liberalism and they would have been gunning for Trump with every thing at their disposal to bring him down. Obama I am sure had his minions looking into everything Trump. For years you guys keep saying how Trump has broken laws, how he has swindled everyone and their mother but nothing ever comes of it. The guy has the finest attorneys to make sure he does nothing wrong. Please explain to me, Agip, how for decades he has broken tax, wire and bank fraud for decades but has never been prosecuted for them? Either produce some evidence or shut the Eff up.
sometimes I think you actually are a Democrat, teeing up easy shots at Trump.
Here you go. Mary Trump helped the NYT and a band of tax experts find lots and lots and lots and lots of tax fraud.
New York State is using this article as the basis of its investigation. Additional information from Micheal Cohen is being used to track other crimes.
That was easy.
Want to talk about whether Trump illegally paid quiet money to a porn star to cover up an affair?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
That was a serious roasting, Sally. Sally, you are a moron and once again prove that you do not know anything about the subjects discussed here. Take your wife-berating self and go away. Loser.
johnny99 wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
The gap is 10.3 here and still shrinking.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.htmlLR libs, keep running your victory laps.
Cankles 2.0 is coming.
KAG2020
Has Jared explained to the Donald that he's not running against Obama this time around?
I'll give you this, Trump will win Frorida, but Florida is still up in the air.
Trump is not going to win Florida.
Sally Vix wrote:
agip wrote:
wife fraud! Definitely he has done that too.
Heh - made me laugh. Nice.
Are you suggesting the District Attorneys in New York are protecting Trump? There can be no other explanation. He has been committing bank, wire and tax fraud for decades. FOR DECADES! And they have never brought charges against him. Think about what you are saying. Trump is the most despised man in New York City. Even more despised than DeBlasio. He has been the most despised for DECADES. During these decades he has been routinely committing bank fraud, he has been routinely committing tax fraud, and he has been committing wire fraud. YET, he has NEVER BEEN PROSECUTED FOR THESE ALLEGED CRIMES. They went after Martha Stewart. Wesley Snipes went down for tax fraud. Bernie Madoff went down for various fraud. YET, the most despised man in all of New York is treated with kid gloves and never prosecuted. How come Adam Schiff, or Jerry Nadler or Nancy Pelosi referenced these alleged frauds??? Oh, but our beloved Agip knows with certainty that Trump committed BANK FRAUD, TAX FRAUD AND WIFE FRAUD. Agip - really?
You are a moron. John Gotti wasn't guilty of anything for decades either, until he was caught. Trump's crooked attorneys and other handlers have kept him out of trouble for decades, but he's about to be caught. It will all go down once he is out of office. There's a front page story today that says NY prosecutors are investigating him beyond just the illegal hush payments he made to Stormy and that other woman. Go to marriage counseling and leave us alone. You are not capable of being involved in any discussion in this thread. Why don't you start a thread about your favorite color?
Sally Vix wrote:
Sorry for continually typing wife fraud. Not intentional.
You mean you kept doing a stupid thing and it wasn't intentional? I'm shocked!
Sally Vix wrote:
agip wrote:
yeah well I gave you the evidence in that NYT article.
Clearly you don't really want evidence so I'll stop responding to you on this.
Hope you and yours are well.
Thanks and I hope you and your family are well, too! My only point - Obama and Lois Lerner were targeting conservative groups. Obama did NOT want Trump to win the election. If Trump had truly committed tax fraud, Obama and Lois and the rest of the IRS who DID HAVE ACCESS TO ALL of Trump's tax records would have prosecuted him in a heartbeat if anything was amiss. Trump pays dearly to his tax attorneys to EFFING DO THE RIGHT RETURNS. Why would they EVER commit tax fraud???????? Trump would fire them right away. They would lose their law license.
You are saying that Trump's tax attorneys are committing TAX FRAUD??? That is what you are saying. These tax attorneys make 7 figures and they are going to risk their law license and everything just to save Trump a few 100K?? Come on Agip -= think a little
You are really so very dense. Biff has had quite a lead on you lately, but you are putting in a surge. Lots of people make a lot of money and engage in risky behavior that risks it all. Do you live under a rock? Go get marriage counseling and leave us alone.
