Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

L L wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/trump-delay-election-no-authority/index.html

today I learned an interesting thing.

The constitution says that the electors choose the president. The Constitution does not say anywhere how those electors are chosen. In olden tymes the electors were chosen by state legislatures, not by a state-wide vote.

So theoretically, R states turning blue - like GA and TX - could change their state law to choose electors by state legislature rather than popular vote. And that would likely be completely legal and constitutionally sound.

Given that many Rs think the country will end if Trump loses (I'm not exaggerating at all - millions of them think this) - would it be surprising if some state legislatures think it their patriotic duty to send R electors to the electoral college, even if the state votes blue? Add on a layer of supposed fraud and it gets easier.

That’s a huge stretch that any state would change their electoral voting process effective immediately.

And if their state was truly at risk of not voting for Trump, then they risk losing their own seats in this election.

And you need almost all of the swing states to be in on this for it to be worthwhile.

Straight up voter suppression is the easier route to achieve their goal.

Herman Cain dies of fake virus:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/former-gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-dies-after-battle-with-coronavirus.html

Interestingly, many Ds think the country will end if Trump wins (I'm not exaggerating at all - millions of them think this).

We are one F'd up country.

HERMAN CAIN HAS DIED FROM COVID-19.

A human being is dead. It would be nice if we could avoid any Schadenfreude.

Monkeys typing wrote:

Herman Cain dies of fake virus:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/former-gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-dies-after-battle-with-coronavirus.html

As a co-chair of Black Voices for Trump, Cain was one of the surrogates at President Donald Trump's June 20 rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma -- which saw at least eight Trump advance team staffers in attendance test positive for coronavirus.

Broheam, this is what I have been saying. If the results are close enough and they find "issues" in red or purple states you can bet those Rs are going to help Donny out and establish their own way to give him an edge. And rest assured the SC isn't going to even hear them out. Btw - they have a mid-Dec deadline to sort out any issues. Trump is going to put the whole thing in limbo and even if he can't get a legit looking result in his favor he's going to create chaos and violence.

Racket wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Orange man is hinting at delaying the election again. Elections were held during the civil war and WWII, but I do not doubt for a second Barr and most of the GOP will do whatever they can to help him with this little project.

Speaker of the House becomes president on January 20th if there's no clear presidential election winner by then so this plan seems poorly thought out.

She may but what happens when most of the GOP does not accept or recognize her? Yes, technically she will be POTUS, but lets be real, we have millions of idiots who would take to the streets against the "deep state".

Monkeys typing wrote:

Herman Cain dies of fake virus:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/former-gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-dies-after-battle-with-coronavirus.html

Wouldn't it be good if this was used as opportunity to push people to wear masks? I'm dreaming of course

Racket wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Orange man is hinting at delaying the election again. Elections were held during the civil war and WWII, but I do not doubt for a second Barr and most of the GOP will do whatever they can to help him with this little project.

Speaker of the House becomes president on January 20th if there's no clear presidential election winner by then so this plan seems poorly thought out.

I'm going from memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong. But the speaker does not become president.

If there is no winner in the Electoral College then the president is chose by the House of Representatives. In this case, Trump would win because the vote is done by state delegations. Republican White Nationalists have more majority delegations than Democrats.

Millions think that for a good reason... it wouldn't end overnight but you don't ever see corrupted governments suddenly improving do you? Trump has plunged our democracy into third world territory and it won't be coming back, maybe even with him gone after this term. He has to be convincingly rejected by the people, and all his minions have to get the boot too for us to have a chance. He took corruption to a new extreme that cannot persist without the country paying a permanent price, and with Barr turning the DOJ into his personal law firm our democracy won't survive this kind of abuse for long.

Trollminator wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

Herman Cain dies of fake virus:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/former-gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-dies-after-battle-with-coronavirus.html

Wouldn't it be good if this was used as opportunity to push people to wear masks? I'm dreaming of course

https://twitter.com/nuekerk/status/1288858078700593152?s=20

I read this tweet and all I feel is sad.

I was no admirer of Herman Cain but it’s sad and pathetic to see grown educated successful “leaders” lead in this fashion. While the irony is huge, it’s bitterly sad that his ignorance likely cost him his life.

yeah it would have to happen in an atmosphere of chaos and disorder...if fraud is found on a significant scale, if 100k mail-in ballots are rejected, if polling is hacked, if polling places are closed by violence or covid, if lawsuits are thrown by both sides and both have merit, etc. States could say 'we'll never know how people voted...we have no choice but to throw it to the state legislatures.'

truth.com

The death of Herman Caine should not be celebrated but it is symbolic.

When Trump pushed to hold his rally in Tulsa, OK there was a lot of push back that this was not safe.

There were warnings against any gatherings at all.

There was a call for all to wear masks in public and especially inside.

Trump scoffed at all these guidelines and insisted on speaking in front of a large packed crowd.

Well, the crowd was not exceptionally large or packed but it was still dangerous.

They celebrated a no mask enforcement policy.

Several people from the Trump administration tested positive for covid around the time.

Herman Caine subsequently tested positive and was one that celebrated the lack of caution.

He may have gotten it later (or there), but he projected an attitude of carelessness about a potentially deadly and highly contagious disease.

And he died from the disease.

Can this at least be a lesson learned for Republicans?

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket wrote:

Speaker of the House becomes president on January 20th if there's no clear presidential election winner by then so this plan seems poorly thought out.

I'm going from memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong. But the speaker does not become president.

If there is no winner in the Electoral College then the president is chose by the House of Representatives. In this case, Trump would win because the vote is done by state delegations. Republican White Nationalists have more majority delegations than Democrats.

It appears from this article written by the Dersh that it would come down to the ruling Senate, which would be the Democrats since most Senate races will be for currently serving Rs (which would not continue to serve after election). They would be able to choose a POTUS.

"But if there is no election, there is no president elect nor vice president elect. Congress does provide for a line of succession to the White House “if by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify,” there is neither a president nor a vice president. This also does not appear to encompass the absence of an election. There is an obvious gap in our Constitution as the Framers simply did not contemplate a “no election” scenario. However, even if Congress has the authority to fill this gap in the Constitution, it is unclear that it has done so with the existing law, because the line of succession begins with the House speaker.

But there would be no House speaker if there were no election, because there would be no House, all of whose members would be up for election in November. The terms of all members of the House would end, as stated in the Constitution, on January 3. There would, however, be a Senate, with a majority of its members not up for election in November and, therefore, still serving their terms. This is important as the next in line would be the president pro tempore of the Senate, which is Charles Grassley. However, if there were no election, there may be a Democratic majority among the remaining senators not up for reelection, unless sitting governors or state legislators were allowed to fill vacant seats, which is another issue.

The longest serving majority senator is traditionally handed the honor of serving as the president pro tempore of the chamber. Among Democrats that would be Patrick Leahy. But a Democratic majority could choose any sitting senator for that role, including Elizabeth Warren and even Bernie Sanders. If the succession law covers a missed election, which would be doubtful, then the senator selected to serve as president pro tem would become the next president. This thought is scary enough to Republicans to assure that they will do everything they can to hold the election.

Tell me how difficult do you think it would be for some willing Rs to taint local processes enough to enable the GOP to question results on a national scale? I think not only easy but we should consider this a real possibility.

semsurrrrrrrrrr wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Wouldn't it be good if this was used as opportunity to push people to wear masks? I'm dreaming of course

https://twitter.com/nuekerk/status/1288858078700593152?s=20

I read this tweet and all I feel is sad.

I was no admirer of Herman Cain but it’s sad and pathetic to see grown educated successful “leaders” lead in this fashion. While the irony is huge, it’s bitterly sad that his ignorance likely cost him his life.

A very educated and rich guy, I can't imagine his ignorance was anything but willful. He was a trump minion in the end and decided to shove his conscience and even intellect aside to help trump send a political message. It got him killed. It is a damn sad truth.