Official Covid Vaccine thread

duder of la mancha wrote:

I live in the Seattle area. I wore a mask once the mandates kicked in, but largely because I would have been unable to conduct any business outside of my home and probably even physically assaulted had I not worn one. All because I needed to play a part in this "ritual" to alleviate the feelings of fear and panic in the majority of people who have been slowly eating and drinking themselves into states of chronic illness for most of their lives who suddenly started caring about their health once death began making the rounds with COVID. Now we know the masks conferred no obvious benefit and it was all the equivalent of a safety blanket for the neurotic amongst us who brave driving their cars everyday (I believe we all have a 1/100 chance of death as Americans from dying in an auto accident), but won't accept the significantly lower risks of dying or being disabled via COVID infection. But in reality they are accepting that risk whether they know it or not because the masks didn't and don't work, they just make them feel better while their chance of contracting was and is what is always would have been otherwise. Pretty bonkers.

duder of la mancha wrote:

Rick Cheney wrote:

Continue on with your anti vax rhetoric..oh virtuous one!

Actually, I have been vaccinated three times. I don't think I'd do it again though with what we now know and are continuing to find out. A good chunk of the past year has been reconciling with the fact that I believe I have been lied to and deceived by the very people purported to be the most objective and discerning amongst us as the people in the scientific community are lauded to be. I am what I like to refer to as a COVID moderate. I thought it was a serious situation that required reasonable precautions, but also different kinds of bravery and sacrifice from different people such as overweight and obese people finally doing something positive for their health so reduce the collective burden on the health care system, young people socializing in something resembling a bubble, that kind of thing. Sadly, what could have been a transformative opportunity for public health was mismanaged as the guidance was tailored based on the risk profile of the lowest common denominator, one of the greatest tragedies of a collective one size fits all policy of any kind.

Things like the masks were clearly just hygiene theater and akin to safety blankets for the panicked masses. These expedited pharmacological interventions were clearly less safe than advertised and there is a conspicuously loud silence by the authorities on excess deaths that they're now attributing to COVID, even on the rare occasion mainstream news outlets do mention it, but have no empirical basis for that claim. But now that we have the benefit of hindsight, I think it is clear that this crisis was mismanaged by ideologically driven and opportunistic people at every turn.

Covidiocy wrote:

duder of la mancha wrote:

Actually, I have been vaccinated three times. I don't think I'd do it again though with what we now know and are continuing to find out. A good chunk of the past year has been reconciling with the fact that I believe I have been lied to and deceived by the very people purported to be the most objective and discerning amongst us as the people in the scientific community are lauded to be. I am what I like to refer to as a COVID moderate. I thought it was a serious situation that required reasonable precautions, but also different kinds of bravery and sacrifice from different people such as overweight and obese people finally doing something positive for their health so reduce the collective burden on the health care system, young people socializing in something resembling a bubble, that kind of thing. Sadly, what could have been a transformative opportunity for public health was mismanaged as the guidance was tailored based on the risk profile of the lowest common denominator, one of the greatest tragedies of a collective one size fits all policy of any kind.

Things like the masks were clearly just hygiene theater and akin to safety blankets for the panicked masses. These expedited pharmacological interventions were clearly less safe than advertised and there is a conspicuously loud silence by the authorities on excess deaths that they're now attributing to COVID, even on the rare occasion mainstream news outlets do mention it, but have no empirical basis for that claim. But now that we have the benefit of hindsight, I think it is clear that this crisis was mismanaged by ideologically driven and opportunistic people at every turn.

That’s actually a pretty dang good post and commendable that you can do some introspection and objectively feel like perhaps everything isn’t as it was purported to be. But you especially captured the essence of it all, of why American medicine can ultimately never be socialized with the lowest common denominator comment, and, yet, what we are always shackled by. The negligence isn’t merely those who opted, as low risk people, not to get these particular vaccines. The negligence is a far greater societal problem. The lack of accountability is not an “anti-vax” issue.

Harambe wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

That’s actually a pretty dang good post and commendable that you can do some introspection and objectively feel like perhaps everything isn’t as it was purported to be. But you especially captured the essence of it all, of why American medicine can ultimately never be socialized with the lowest common denominator comment, and, yet, what we are always shackled by. The negligence isn’t merely those who opted, as low risk people, not to get these particular vaccines. The negligence is a far greater societal problem. The lack of accountability is not an “anti-vax” issue.

It's hilarious that people are running around pretending like there is some secret about vaccines that the 'powers that be' are not telling us.

Where is the evidence?

Clotting with J&J? Government revealed it.

Myocarditis with mRNA: communicated by pharma and government

Changes in vaccine efficacy against new strains: discovered and communicated by academia and public health institutions.

You dudes are patting each other on the back for what? Listening to public health communications from establishment sources? Not very radical or contrarian.

Oh wait, the quoted OP is also claiming that there are apparently thousands of vaccine deaths that... nobody can provide evidence for. But you just believe it? Embarrassingly motivated reasoning. We all want to feel special, like we know something others don't, but let's try not to lose all rationality here, fellas.

Harambe wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

Ok, so now you are essentially libeling her. Gandhi was never “anti-vax.” She has always been a vax proponent. What she simply said was if you were naturally infected, you had broad and durable immunity equivalent to or better than the vax, unless… wait for it… you were a high risk person, in which case she advocated for the vax. Exactly right. And I don’t think too many immunologists would argue against that position, except, you know, “molecular biologists” such as yourself. You like to rewrite history, just like you were one of the first lab leak proponents. Laughable. Comical.

It's not libel to say her uninformed and attention seeking ideas would have caused 100k+ more American deaths. Aren't we glad nobody listened to her but Twitter keyboard warriors.

Anyone who was against the vax for a majority of the population is 'anti-vax' and very bad at math. That's all there is to it!

Well trained immunologists and molecular biologists have the quantitative ability to look at the reams of data supporting the vax and agree that everyone should get it. People like Ghandi and yourself prefer to following their 'feelings' and 'bias.' Embarrassing!