Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

The ghost of Reagan to Trump: "Tear down this wall."

Trump: "I will build a great wall -- and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me --and I'll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words."

Tropical Storm Hanna: "I got this. I don't need to be a hurricane to get this job done."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5tCB2PlH60

L L wrote:

What do you mean he said a truth and we should recognize it as a truth?

Quoting a founding father?

What if I said:

As Hitler said, Jews are bad.

That’s a truth. He said that.

But it wouldn’t make it ok for me to say that.

How deep did you have to dig for that false analogy?

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

cotton was saying, paraphrased: "The founding fathers believed that legalizing slavery in the new nation was a necessary evil in order to get the Southern states to join the Union. Furthermore, the founders felt slavery would fade away over time.'

I don't have any problem with that statement other than I'd add 'some' founding fathers viewed slavery as fine and good and not evil at all.

Do you have any problem with that paraphrase? If so, what is your disagreement?

We don't need to paraphrase. We have the actual quote and it is already quite succinct.

Again, can you answer the question, "Do you agree with Cotton's interpretation that slavery was a necessary evil?"

This is basically jaq-ing off.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

No. It's exactly the thing we should argue about. This is exactly why history is important.

Cotton was saying this while discussing history textbooks. He was saying that we should teach children that slavery was a necessary evil. Do you agree with that?

I don't do counterfactual history. It's just sort of riduculous to my mind.

Do you?

Do you think the 13 colony US should not have been founded, because of slavery?

It's not counterfactual history. It's historical interpretation. It is how we are able to learn from history.

I'm not asking what would have happened if early abolitionists held their ground. There is no way to know that.

The question is, should we view slavery as ever having been a necessary evil?

My answer is "no". What is yours?

agip wrote:

I don't do counterfactual history. It's just sort of riduculous to my mind.

The issue for you is that you are using alternative facts. You are playing "hear no evil" because what you chose to learn is not based on the reality of slavery. Rather than slaves, the "necessary" workers could have been hired and paid. I lot of people were willing to work. But plantation owners did not want to pay the price. Luxurious mansions needed to be built.

Racket wrote:

L L wrote:

What do you mean he said a truth and we should recognize it as a truth?

Quoting a founding father?

What if I said:

As Hitler said, Jews are bad.

That’s a truth. He said that.

But it wouldn’t make it ok for me to say that.

How deep did you have to dig for that false analogy?

Incorrect. It is false in your mind only. Get your facts straight.

Trump Wall of Shame wrote:

agip wrote:

I don't do counterfactual history. It's just sort of riduculous to my mind.

The issue for you is that you are using alternative facts. You are playing "hear no evil" because what you chose to learn is not based on the reality of slavery. Rather than slaves, the "necessary" workers could have been hired and paid. I lot of people were willing to work. But plantation owners did not want to pay the price. Luxurious mansions needed to be built.

Maybe we're talking apples to oranges here.

Yes or no: The 13-colony USA would have been founded even if slavery had been outlawed within its borders.

Racket wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

We don't need to paraphrase. We have the actual quote and it is already quite succinct.

Again, can you answer the question, "Do you agree with Cotton's interpretation that slavery was a necessary evil?"

This is basically jaq-ing off.

Why are you afraid to give a straight answer to the question? I'm not.

agip wrote:

Maybe we're talking apples to oranges here.

Yes or no: The 13-colony USA would have been founded even if slavery had been outlawed within its borders.

Yes:

The USA would have been founded without some of the southern states. Those states would have joined years later without slavery.

wtf is the 1619 project?

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket wrote:

This is basically jaq-ing off.

Why are you afraid to give a straight answer to the question? I'm not.

That is his M.O. when he is angry about something. What he is angry about is that you are not accepting his position.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

I don't do counterfactual history. It's just sort of riduculous to my mind.

Do you?

Do you think the 13 colony US should not have been founded, because of slavery?

It's not counterfactual history. It's historical interpretation. It is how we are able to learn from history.

I'm not asking what would have happened if early abolitionists held their ground. There is no way to know that.

The question is, should we view slavery as ever having been a necessary evil?

My answer is "no". What is yours?

If I were alive in 1776 I hope I would have been against a 13 colony USA with legalized slavery.

But slavery was legal in the north too...and sort of quasi-legal in GB. So what exactly are we saying here? That in an ideal world in 1776 there would have been no slavery in the North, the South and in GB. Ok, I think we can all get behind that.

But these questions are so ridiculous. Better to analyze what actually happened than throw yourself back in history or create counterfactual history.

Racket wrote:

wtf is the 1619 project?

Do an internet search. You won't because you "read no evil."

agip wrote:

Better to analyze what actually happened than throw yourself back in history or create counterfactual history.

This is your problem. You know "exactly" what happened. Your feet are anchored in concrete made of alternative facts.

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket wrote:

This is basically jaq-ing off.

Why are you afraid to give a straight answer to the question? I'm not.

There's no value in continuing this

Trump Wall of Shame wrote:

Racket wrote:

How deep did you have to dig for that false analogy?

Incorrect. It is false in your mind only. Get your facts straight.

:(

Trump Wall of Shame wrote:

Racket wrote:

wtf is the 1619 project?

Do an internet search. You won't because you "read no evil."

k

Racket wrote:

There's no value in continuing this

Your mind is set in stone.

agip, you are arguing with someone on the internet about the personal context and relative historicity of a tweet.

Is it worth it?