50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum

amkelley wrote:

I am pretty sure that if I were ever in such bad shape in a race that I couldn't stay on my feet, I would have the sense to quit.

When I suffered heat stroke at a 10K, I had no sense whatsoever. I had actually finished the race, and was at the beverage table trying to decide between a Coke or a water. That's the last thing I remember before briefly awaking in the ER, packed in ice.

But during the interim, I dropped whatever drink I had, ran back to the race course, running against the tide of finishing runners, then veered off and ran to who-knows-where before collapsing unconscious.

During the race itself, I was pushing hard, and feeling stressed -- but no more so than any other all-out race.

In opposite conditions two days later, but also under duress, Shalane was getting delusional and thought she was winning the race when in fact she was fifth. I'm sure she seemed coherent otherwise to bystanders. I've learned to never judge another's state of mind, especially when they are "under fire".

Now, morans posting at their own leisure, I have plenty of judgment for.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly..." T Roosevelt

hmmm, moran detector huh? sorry take some of your airspace. I now feel bad.

Well I'm an over aged hobby jogger and did Boston this week. It was tough day. There was some rain and wind. Some might have heard about I only ran 3:12 as I faded over the final miles in a hypothermic funk. I thought I was going to faint and sort of drifted in a dreamy state for the last 2K. Then it took a full hour to get my gear bag and into dry clothes. It was crazy. Otherwise Boston does a great job.

Hey CM you are a tough guy and for some perspective Gene Dykes ran 3:16.

Allen1959 wrote:

amkelley wrote:

I am pretty sure that if I were ever in such bad shape in a race that I couldn't stay on my feet, I would have the sense to quit.

When I suffered heat stroke at a 10K, I had no sense whatsoever. I had actually finished the race, and was at the beverage table trying to decide between a Coke or a water. That's the last thing I remember before briefly awaking in the ER, packed in ice.

But during the interim, I dropped whatever drink I had, ran back to the race course, running against the tide of finishing runners, then veered off and ran to who-knows-where before collapsing unconscious.

During the race itself, I was pushing hard, and feeling stressed -- but no more so than any other all-out race.

I see your point. I've never been able to push myself hard enough in a race to start to lose it mentally. Hot and exhausted, yes; delusional, never.

Coyote Montane wrote:

hmmm, moran detector huh? sorry take some of your airspace. I now feel bad.

Well I'm an over aged hobby jogger and did Boston this week. It was tough day. There was some rain and wind. Some might have heard about I only ran 3:12 as I faded over the final miles in a hypothermic funk. I thought I was going to faint and sort of drifted in a dreamy state for the last 2K. Then it took a full hour to get my gear bag and into dry clothes. It was crazy. Otherwise Boston does a great job.

I don’t understand this whole “look at me” sentiment that pervades this thread. There are a few humble posters here, but they may be the minority.

On pace for 2000 training miles so far but having problems. Just a lot more sore than last year. Still hitting between 40-50mpw. 63 years old, or is it 62, yeah 62.

Running since 1977. Hope to run in some form the rest of my life..

Summer race volunteering and racing starts on May 27th.

4th year of active surveillance for prostate cancer.

Urologist is getting nervous about it..not me.

Surgery is butchery. They have proton therapy but I can't get into Mayo in Phoenix.

They are the only ones who have proton therapy so screw it.

I'll just watch and wait with biopsies every year.

Meanwhile, let the good times roll and keep training.

For the first time in my life training is fun and actually look forward to it because Ive made the pace slower..

Most days that is. And I wonder why Im so sore.

Robert E . Lee wrote:

On pace for 2000 training miles so far but having problems. Just a lot more sore than last year. Still hitting between 40-50mpw. 63 years old, or is it 62, yeah 62.

Running since 1977. Hope to run in some form the rest of my life..

Summer race volunteering and racing starts on May 27th.

4th year of active surveillance for prostate cancer.

Urologist is getting nervous about it..not me.

Surgery is butchery. They have proton therapy but I can't get into Mayo in Phoenix.

They are the only ones who have proton therapy so screw it.

I'll just watch and wait with biopsies every year.

Meanwhile, let the good times roll and keep training.

For the first time in my life training is fun and actually look forward to it because Ive made the pace slower..

Most days that is. And I wonder why Im so sore.

My uroligist prefers MRI to biopsies Robert.

mo'pak wrote:

My uroligist prefers MRI to biopsies Robert.

I push for MRIs wherever I can for my diagnostic needs. They're not invasive and far safer than the potent ionizing radiation of CT & PET scans. And if an MRI can be done without a contrast dye that's even better. But a patient has got to be on top of these things: The doctor I was seeing for a torn rotator cuff ordered an MRI with contrast. When I called the office to ask if it could be changed to without contrast (renal toxicity concerns), the doctor easily changed the order without asking any questions. I get to imaging and the MRI tech makes a big deal about not doing the contrast dye saying he may not be able to get good images because of the density of the shoulder joint. He tries to make me guilty but we proceed as scheduled. A couple days later I go over the images with the doc who says they were fine and that the MRI detected not one but "two" rotator cuff tendon tears. So, there you be - all was well & good without a dye.

*Week 358*

Greetings, 50+ers! Short post for me this week. Getting down to the bitter end for this semester; it can't end soon enough! Never doing *that* again! Muddled my way through 24 miles on 5 days. Log reads as such:

Sun: 5.0 Easy (8:28/mi)

Mon: Off

Tue: 5.3 Fartleky (7:49/mi avg)

Wed: Off

Thu: 4.2 Easy-to-Moderate (7:49/mi avg)

Fri: 3.2 Moderate (7:29/mi avg) w/0.6 @6:48 pace in middle.

Sat: 6.2 Fairly easy (8:07/mi)

Whenever I add "avg" (as in average) that means the pace was highly variable, and it was for all the week day runs. Short surges and progressions. Can't say it was all good, but I'm not following any kind of plan right now, and I enjoyed mixing it up. Added some strides for the first time in a while on Tuesday. It was in a field, the ground wasn't very even, and my knees didn't really like it; will try again on smoother ground this week. I said "Fairly easy" for Saturday's run, but truth is that the second half was a bit of a struggle. It's been so cold here this spring that even mid-60's caused me some problems in the second half of the run. It'll get better, knock on wood.

Not going to venture into the fray from last week, and just leave it where it's at. Quite the Marathons this week with Boston and London, would love to hear any stories (I've heard a few from some locals that ventured up to Boston.) CM, your story sounds a lot like those I've heard, props for pushing through it.

Hope you've all had a great week.

All the Best!

Many thanks for kicking off yet another week of Pre-historic Training and Racing, LucKY2B ;}

Sounds as though your training is headed back in a positive direction...nice.

A glorious week for running weather-wise here in NorCal...looks like more of the same this coming one.

Managed just 30 miles BUT actually did a bit of speed for the first time in 8 weeks...one session of 6 x 200s cutting down each one and finishing in 42 and then a second session a couple of days later of 8 x 200s cutting down to a scintillating 41.03...knocking on the sub 40 door. Will send out a press release if and when I register something in the 39s...HA!

A great week to follow the sport...Mo's run at London impressed...Kerr's collegiate 1500 record at Bryan Clay meet...looking forward to catching some of my 2nd favorite meet in the universe, Penn Relays, beginning this Thursday.

Sending thoughts of great health and speed.

your pal,

MF

Workout goal : Have Fun !

Wanted to do a time trial at 11mph on the treadmill for 6 minutes

At 800 meters I knew it would take an all out effort so I made the workout ezr.

The pace was fine but I wussed out.

Week 27 April 14th 21 minutes allergies

April 18 2 miles at 6:18 R 60 seconds

April 21 2600 meters / 9 minutes at 11pmh 5:27 pace

300,800,600,300,300,300 with equal rest

Not really any faster maybe a bit slower than a month ago but my calf muscles are doing great.

Hayward Classic Age Graded Mile Plan going to go out at 85 or so then see what happens

M58 -- 5'11" 167 lbs

Goal -- Defend M55-59 title in 15K (August)

Training -- Week 2 of 18-week plan; 9-day cycle with long run, VO2max and LT workouts; volume progression

April 16-22, 2018

Mon -- 1.5-mi warmup; 3 x 1-mile w/80-sec static rest @ 7:02, 6:56, 6:50; 1.5-mi cooldown

Tue --off

Wed -- 12.2 miles @ 8:58/mi

Thu -- 8.0 miles @ 8:26/mi with 5x100m strides

Fri -- 2-mi warmup; 5 x 800m w/3-min jog rest @ 3:02, 2:58, 2:55. 2:54, 2:51; 2-mi cooldown

Sat -- 9.2 miles @ 9:16/mi

Sun -- off

WEEK TOTAL: 42.7 MILES

Only five VO2max reps on Friday, and I took very generous recoveries. Still, I was buoyed by the 800m times. Good to see some sub-6 pace showing up again. I have a 5K scheduled in four weeks, and will need to run very close to 19-flat -- 6:07 pace -- to be on target for my August goal.

good luck with the mile; sounds like you're in great shape for it.

fun week of running for me in nice spring weather:

M 60:00 with 2 X 10:00 (2:00 jog) at half-marathon pace on treadmill while watching late stages of Boston

Tu 1:30 double

W 1:00

Th 1:00 with 5 X 3:00 (2:00 jog) hills

F 40:00

Sa 1:10

Su 2:00

not as character-building, but definitely more comfortable to watch boston from the gym than to be there -- hats off to all finshers on what sure looked like a miserable day

have a great week,

Dave

Tue: 43 min easy trail

Thur: 44 min, steep rocky trail, 615 feet of climbing

Sat: 45 min, very steep rocky trail, 925 feet climbing

Sun: 45 min, medium trail

Had a good week where my heel continued to improve. I’m finding the rocky steep trails are really helping with my heel and other minor issues. I’ll be sticking at 45 minutes for a while and then gradually bump up the weekend minutes. 45 minutes feels like I am doing real training. I am very happy to be running again: period.

Have a good week everyone.

My week was nearly a duplicate of the prior week, but a little faster on the hills.

M- 7 walking with 100M stride every 1/2 mile

T- 10 hills 9:36/mi ave

W- 7 walking with 100M stride every 1/2 mile

Th - 10 hills 9:20/mi ave

F- rest

S- 10 hills 8:49/mi ave

S- 7 walking with 100M stride every 1/2 mile

Another low-volume week (41 miles) after my 17.6-mile Boston Marathon tribute run last Sunday left my bad heel quite sore.

Monday: 90 minutes on bike trainer

Tuesday: 90 minutes on bike trainer

Wednesday: 10.5 miles at 9:02/mile pace

Thursday: 10.5 miles at 9:01 pace

Friday: 10.5 miles at 9:09 pace

Saturday: My annual participation in the American Cancer Society Relay for Life. This used to be a 24-hour affair and I would always get to run in the very early morning, 4-6 am or 5-7 am. I love running at these times. I am the biggest morning person you’ve ever heard of, a 23-hour circadian clock trapped in a 24-hour day. But this year they changed the format to a 12-hour event and the earliest slot I could get was 10-11 am. I NEVER run that late in the day. Seriously, it has probably been 25 years since I started a run as late as 10 am. And it was one of the first warm days of the year. I jogged the 1.5+ miles from my home to the track, ran for an hour around the track, and jogged home. I didn’t count laps, but I timed the final 2 miles in 17-something, weaving all over the track to dodge clots of walkers and standers. No shade anywhere, and by the time I got home it was 74 degrees under a blazing sun. It didn’t feel as bad as I expected, but I sure wouldn’t choose to run under those conditions if I can run earlier! Spent the rest of the day trying to cool off.

Sunday: Heel too sore to run, so I got up, watched the London Marathon which I’d recorded overnight, and went for a 40-mile bike ride which felt really strong. Yesterday’s run wasn’t much work although it left me hot. Eliud Kipchoge continues to amaze me. The man never has a sub-par race!

Two more weeks until my last half-marathon of the season. Then summer clamps down, and perhaps I switch over to more cycling and try to get my heel to calm down.

There’s still the occasional snowflake, and we're a few weeks from the planting season, but winter is on its last legs and I’m not. The recovery is 99.9% complete and pace have volume are improving naturally. No golf this week.

Sun: 52 min jog, body wt ex, med ball routine

Mon: off

Tues: 53 min jog, body wt ex, med ball routine

Wed: off

Thu: 52 min jog, body wt ex, med ball routine

Fri: 2 mile walk with the bride

Sat: 52 min jog, body wt ex, med ball routine

Best to all.

Hello all. I am getting stronger and more confident over time. There are so many cautions given and side effects mentioned I probably held back early on. Of course managing symptoms can be more challenging depending on response, so I have been lucky in that regard. The past week was my only true taining week in months totalling 48 Igy miles.

Monday: AM- 2 miles walking; PM- 3 miles walking

Tuesday: AM- 2 miles walking; PM- core (planks, clam shells, leg lifts, physio ball); 1:10 spin bike (3 minutes sitting 90 rpm, 2 minutes standing 65 rpm); free weights/Bosu (overhead, squats, bench and single leg Bosu squats with flat side up)

Wednesday: AM-2 miles walking; PM- Alter G Treadmill @ 70% 4 miles 33:30 (middle miles 7:30 pace); 3 miles walking outside

Thursday: same as Tuesday

Friday: same as Monday

Saturday: 5 miles running and walking in the foothills

Sunday: 6 miles fast walking @ 16:39/mile with fastest miles 15:52

Next week I have my mid-cycle CT scan Tuesday and fourth infusion Friday. My plan is to get another solid week with two Alter G sessions. The following week will be a post infusion week where even light exercise will be a challenge.

Have a good week.

Igy