Trump claims wrote:
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Hillary has never been president.
That's all that matters right now.
Trump claims wrote:
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Hillary has never been president.
That's all that matters right now.
HardLoper wrote:
eric a blair wrote:not sure we are disagreeing.
You seem to be implying he is embarrassed to support the Trump administration because of a recent Trump action or policy. Based on his Twitter, that is not the case. Sounds like a business/career decision unrelated to recent events.
fine, a business decision to get away from what he sees as a sinking ship that has lost its rudder.
DiscoGary wrote:Whatever Trump does, we know he will be held accountable for it.
DiscoGary wrote:You can no longer hold us to standards that you refuse to adhere to yourselves.
That didn't take long.
DiscoGary wrote:
our liar beat your liar. You can no longer hold us to standards that you refuse to adhere to yourselves.
Wow.
What you are saying is that all lies are acceptable now.
So what if Trump lies. That's perfectly fine.
So now going forward Trump cannot be held accountable for any lies - past, present or future.
He doesn't have to hold any campaign promises either, then.
And legislation doesn't matter. Blame it on congress.
Healthcare doesn't matter. Refuse to uphold ACA laws and blame Obama.
If the BLS says the unemployment is good, then tout the stats.
When they don't look good, call it biased.
With the stock market up, take the credit.
When it drops, find someone else to blame.
We see the game.
eric a blair wrote:
HardLoper wrote:You seem to be implying he is embarrassed to support the Trump administration because of a recent Trump action or policy. Based on his Twitter, that is not the case. Sounds like a business/career decision unrelated to recent events.
fine, a business decision to get away from what he sees as a sinking ship that has lost its rudder.
The Trumptanic never had a rudder. It is a train rolling without tracks like a loose cannon on the deck of a rudderless ship.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:Whatever Trump does, we know he will be held accountable for it.DiscoGary wrote:You can no longer hold us to standards that you refuse to adhere to yourselves.
That didn't take long.
They all lie. Trump is being held accountable. Obama was not. Hillary would not have been.
The only difference is that Trump is not using the Federal government as a weapon against me. I call that a win.
DiscoGary wrote:
I think you need to look into the Hillary/Russia uranium deal.
It's been looked into. She had very little to do with the deal. She had neither the power to approve or veto the deal. The uranium remained in the United States. 90% of the $145 million the Clinton Foundation received from Uranium One investors came from one person, Frank Giustra, who sold his entire stake in the company in 2007, more than a year and a half before Clinton became Secretary of State.
But you're unable to be objective so you won't read this.
L L wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:our liar beat your liar. You can no longer hold us to standards that you refuse to adhere to yourselves.
Wow.
What you are saying is that all lies are acceptable now.
So what if Trump lies. That's perfectly fine.
So now going forward Trump cannot be held accountable for any lies - past, present or future.
He doesn't have to hold any campaign promises either, then.
And legislation doesn't matter. Blame it on congress.
Healthcare doesn't matter. Refuse to uphold ACA laws and blame Obama.
If the BLS says the unemployment is good, then tout the stats.
When they don't look good, call it biased.
With the stock market up, take the credit.
When it drops, find someone else to blame.
We see the game.
ObamaCare was passed based on lies.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-obamacare-lies-gruber-krauthammer-perspec-1114-20141113-story.htmlObama and the Democrats were not held accountable for those lies which did material damage to the country. No Democrat has the moral authority to call out Trump on his lies.
Clean up your own house.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:I think you need to look into the Hillary/Russia uranium deal.
It's been looked into. She had very little to do with the deal. She had neither the power to approve or veto the deal. The uranium remained in the United States. 90% of the $145 million the Clinton Foundation received from Uranium One investors came from one person, Frank Giustra, who sold his entire stake in the company in 2007, more than a year and a half before Clinton became Secretary of State.
But you're unable to be objective so you won't read this.
$145 million donation from a guy with ties to Russian mining interests!!! What for? "looked into"? Where's the grand jury? Where's the 8 months of screeching headlines? The whole Clinton Foundation thing was just a money laundering outfit to cover up pay-for-play in the case that Hillary won the election. Everyone knows this.
C'mon man. Admit that this is waaaay worse than anything we see going on with Trump. Where is the intellectual integrity. You have to admit this is really, really bad. But you won't, therefore Trump.
DiscoGary wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:It's been looked into. She had very little to do with the deal. She had neither the power to approve or veto the deal. The uranium remained in the United States. 90% of the $145 million the Clinton Foundation received from Uranium One investors came from one person, Frank Giustra, who sold his entire stake in the company in 2007, more than a year and a half before Clinton became Secretary of State.
But you're unable to be objective so you won't read this.
$145 million donation from a guy with ties to Russian mining interests!!! What for? "looked into"? Where's the grand jury? Where's the 8 months of screeching headlines? The whole Clinton Foundation thing was just a money laundering outfit to cover up pay-for-play in the case that Hillary won the election. Everyone knows this.
C'mon man. Admit that this is waaaay worse than anything we see going on with Trump. Where is the intellectual integrity. You have to admit this is really, really bad. But you won't, therefore Trump.
show me the indictments and I'll believe you
After another resounding loss in 2020, will Democrats double-down on the russia narrative? Will be amazing to watch these losers totally implode
eric a blair wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:$145 million donation from a guy with ties to Russian mining interests!!! What for? "looked into"? Where's the grand jury? Where's the 8 months of screeching headlines? The whole Clinton Foundation thing was just a money laundering outfit to cover up pay-for-play in the case that Hillary won the election. Everyone knows this.
C'mon man. Admit that this is waaaay worse than anything we see going on with Trump. Where is the intellectual integrity. You have to admit this is really, really bad. But you won't, therefore Trump.
show me the indictments and I'll believe you
Right back at you. The only difference is that the Trump/Russia thing will be investigated thoroughly where Hillary's corruption was swept under the rug.
Like I said, Trump is being held accountable. Obama was not, and Hillary would not have been.
zertigo wrote:
After A BIGLY resounding loss in 2020, will REPUBLICANS double-down on the russia narrative? Will be amazing to watch these losers totally implode
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zertigo wrote:
After another resounding loss in 2020, will Democrats double-down on the russia narrative? Will be amazing to watch these losers totally implode
They already imploded, and yes, it was fun to watch.
eric a blair wrote:
whoah
Quinnipiac just came out with their trump approval: 33%
good lord people are evacuating the trump train, with extreme prejudice. They are jumping out the windows. They are breaking down the doors. They are stampeding the exits.
RCP average down to new all time lows: 38.2%, and RCP is at 37.0%
Seriously...if that gets down to low 30s, impeachment becomes possible.
Remember that impeachment is a political thing. No crime need be found to impeach. The framers wanted it that way - to be able to impeach for violating the spirit of the presidency. Not if a crime was committed
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Actually, Article 2, Section 4 of the constitution is pretty clear that impeachment in NOT intended to be a "political thing":
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Technically, the House indites or "impeaches" and the Senate tries the case. The members of our legislature may wish they could impeach Trump because of his increasingly embarrassing missteps and general incapacity, but they need a crime to make it happen. Even if Trump's base starts abandoning him, don't hold your breath on impeachment.
Resignation would be more likely, I expect.
Your basis of Obamacare being based on lies is based on whether the penalty for not having insurance can be called a tax or not.
Call it what you may, they were very transparent when they insisted that health insurance be mandatory and subject to a fine.
Then the SC called it a tax in later deliberation.
Obamacare was passed as a response to rising premiums and not enough people having coverage.
It mandated the all people have insurance. That large companies provide coverage. That there would be help for low earners. That there would be an additional payroll tax for higher earners. That insurance had to provide adequate coverage. That your coverage could not be denied due to a pre-existing condition. That young adults could stay on their parent's insurance for longer. That there would be insurance exchanges to shop for coverage.
It wasn't perfect but it closed a big gap.
The current administration ran on making coverage better, cheaper and more widespread.
Utter failure.
Utter freaking failure.
Total effing liar.
Lying sack of sh!t of a president we have now.
L L wrote:
Your basis of Obamacare being based on lies is based on whether the penalty for not having insurance can be called a tax or not.
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No. My basis for ObamaCare being based on lies comes straight from the architect of the law.
They admit that they had to lie to get it passed, and bragged about how gullible the American people were to believe it. They lied about the "tax" element. They lied about premium savings. They lied about keeping your doctor.
It was all lies, and it's on the record. It's settled science.
If Clinton were the President, the same things could have been said about her. And, you fvck-up on HealthCare, Obama really messed that up. But, you're lower class so you benefited from our high deductibles. You're welcome.
eric a blair wrote:
itsbaddude wrote:I can not fault Trump for anything. He is doing everything he promised, which is refreshing.
how's the health care coming? How's the wall? How's the iran deal? How's solving the budget deficit? how's locking up hillary? how's common core? how's the safe zone for syrian refugees? how's not being laughed at by foreign countries? how's bringing back waterboarding? how is cancelling all funding of sanctuary cities? how is his commission on radical islam? how is pusing for term limits?
The game that you speak of was invented by the Clintons. Campaign promises? Like Liar Barack who lied so much that even Pelosi admitted it. You're delusional LL---LOL at you!
L L wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:our liar beat your liar. You can no longer hold us to standards that you refuse to adhere to yourselves.
Wow.
What you are saying is that all lies are acceptable now.
So what if Trump lies. That's perfectly fine.
So now going forward Trump cannot be held accountable for any lies - past, present or future.
He doesn't have to hold any campaign promises either, then.
And legislation doesn't matter. Blame it on congress.
Healthcare doesn't matter. Refuse to uphold ACA laws and blame Obama.
If the BLS says the unemployment is good, then tout the stats.
When they don't look good, call it biased.
With the stock market up, take the credit.
When it drops, find someone else to blame.
We see the game.
Very stupid analogy, kind of all over the place. Try again peabrain.
rudder Les wrote:
eric a blair wrote:fine, a business decision to get away from what he sees as a sinking ship that has lost its rudder.
The Trumptanic never had a rudder. It is a train rolling without tracks like a loose cannon on the deck of a rudderless ship.