The ordinary person doesn't need to be fact checked by twitter or FB, everybody knows that most stuff is just opinions, people who post rubbish are ignored as trolls etc.
But if you are President, of USA no less, and actively use twitter as a medium to convey information then those facts need to be corroborated.
You cannot just sit on your toilet seat at 4am and tweet away anything that comes in your mind.
FB is just playing to maybe get Trump to post on their platform
semsurrrrrrrr wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-says-hes-seen-letter-153012812.html
In the article Trump says about the death:
"I'm sure that, ultimately, they want to get to the bottom of it and it's a very serious situation," he argued while taking questions at an unrelated Rose Garden event."
It's a typical Trump lie; there is no "they".
Everything Trump touches dies. RIP GOP.
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Donny getting slapped down by twitter - what an embarrassment and danger to our country
semsurrrrrrrr wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-says-hes-seen-letter-153012812.html
Does anyone here work for a business or agency where they have a position of responsibility and leadership?
My business would not tolerate people in visible positions making crazy tweets like that which could reflect poorly on the business.
What is wrong with Trump AND the people who live him?
corona trump wrote:
What is wrong with Trump AND the people who [love] him?
Nothing is wrong with Trump. He saw a niche and filled it. Others were trying to fill it, but his product was superior: just what the (GOP) customers wanted.
The people who love him? Above all, they're afraid. They see that the world is changing, and changing ever more rapidly. You know how Woody Hayes (allegedly) said that three things can happen when you throw the football, and two of them are bad? These folks imagine many possible outcomes from change, most of them bad. They ignore "good" things like their use of computers and smartphones--they take those for granted--and focus on the bad. Just human nature, most likely. But they're afraid, afraid, afraid, and they're angry at feeling that way and hate the people who (they *think*) made them feel that way. (Actually they made *themselves* feel that way.)
And fear, anger, and hate are huge motivators for voting. With rare exceptions (Obama's first election--perhaps), those negative emotions are far more motivating than positives.
"You know how Woody Hayes (allegedly) said that three things can happen when you throw the football, and two of them are bad? "
Strange example to cite.
College football evolved to more passing because statistically you get more yards per throw than per run.
(of course you have to run enough to keep the defense guessing)
But the connection is that running the ball is a conservative move. Afraid of an incompletion or turnover.
And conservatives are afraid of change that progressives want to bring.
I gotcha
5/28 stats
The 7 day average of daily deaths in the US fell below 1000 for the first time since late March or early April.
Global numbers are also declining but not quite as regularly as the US. Because as the US sees fewer deaths, South America is seeing more. But still, the global 7 day average is falling.
national rankings: Sweden has been 8th for many weeks but is closing in on France for 7th. They sure failed the pandemic, as did the UK, which also had a permissive shelter in place policy. Which means when this thing is surging we need to absolutely lock things down hard and fast.
I read somewhere that looking at excess mortality the UK was the absolute worst. Remember they spent a week on a rush for herd immunity until they adopted a more standard policy.
Mexico is moving in the wrong way, up to 32nd place after being 34th.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
semsurrrrrrrr wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-says-hes-seen-letter-153012812.htmlIn the article Trump says about the death:
"I'm sure that, ultimately, they want to get to the bottom of it and it's a very serious situation," he argued while taking questions at an unrelated Rose Garden event."
It's a typical Trump lie; there is no "they".
There is no "they", there's nothing to get to the bottom of. It's not a "situation", serious or otherwise. This isn't a cold case, and there are no unanswered questions. I don't even know if his hard core followers, who are usually pretty gullible, are buying this one.
agip wrote:
national rankings: Sweden has been 8th for many weeks but is closing in on France for 7th. They sure failed the pandemic, as did the UK, which also had a permissive shelter in place policy. Which means when this thing is surging we need to absolutely lock things down hard and fast.
I'm not sure we can say yet that Sweden took the wrong approach, but it definitely looks that way. I heard a report recently that their infection rate was miles away from having enough to achieve herd immunity. Even Sweden will fail to attain herd immunity until we get a vaccine.
As far as their economic situation, the Swedish economy is almost as bad as their neighbors. So the net effect of their experiment has been that they have a huge number of excess deaths with almost zero economic benefit.
Don't fool yourself. America has taken the Swedish approach as well. We locked down for about a month to flatten the curve but we didn't follow through. The president just gave up and surrendered.
So now we are the 12th worst nation in the world for deaths per million. We have opened up but the economy has not snapped back. The situation is still dismal and there is no end in sight.
You can't fix this without beating the virus first. There are no shortcuts.
Fat hurts wrote:
agip wrote:
national rankings: Sweden has been 8th for many weeks but is closing in on France for 7th. They sure failed the pandemic, as did the UK, which also had a permissive shelter in place policy. Which means when this thing is surging we need to absolutely lock things down hard and fast.
Don't fool yourself. America has taken the Swedish approach as well. We locked down for about a month to flatten the curve but we didn't follow through.
s.
I'll disagree with this. We're 5-6 months into this disease now - we know much more about how to deal with it. Sweden took its strategy early on, when we weren't nearly as ready. At the time there was no preparation in hospitals for a pandemic, not enough PPE, med workers had no idea how to treat it, ventilators were in short supply, planes were still flying, no one wore a mask, there was no shelter in place, we didn't know the elderly and obese were in such danger, etc.
Now is a different story - all that has been fixed to some degree so we are much more prepared for outbreaks. So we aren't taking the Swedish approach. Things are different and much better now.
So as an antidote to my glum account in my previous post, we can consider a hopeful message from Dr. Fauci on PBS yesterday. You can skip to about 2/3 of the way through the interview where he starts to talk about the way forward:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUJsnxL7iis
To summarize, Dr. Fauci sees hope as long as these conditions hold:
1. We continue to see decline over the summer.
2. The fall will see more infection as more of us move indoors and go back to school.
3. We will be prepared with better testing and contact tracing so that things don't get out of control.
For this plan to be successful:
#1 has to happen. We aren't sure it will but things seem to be headed toward summer decline.
#2 will happen. Fauci says we are kidding ourselves if we thing it won't.
#3 must happen, but that will require leadership.
I am the most skeptical about #3. I just don't think our leaders will be able to organize the effort it will take, especially during election season. From Trump on down, we have been disappointed and I just don't see us getting our act together.
But Fauci's plan is reasonable. It could work. And I think it's the best plan we've got.
Looks to me that Trump has found a way to push the virus off the front page.
He's going to go all law and order, whites v blacks, law enforcement v rioters, etc.
Worked for Nixon - he was voted in to stop the political violence of the late 60s/early 70s.
Trump will push all the buttons of the old white folks with the mpls riots. And it will work. These riots are picture perfect for trump. He was losing old people and now he's going to get many of them back again.
Fat hurts wrote:
So as an antidote to my glum account in my previous post, we can consider a hopeful message from Dr. Fauci on PBS yesterday. You can skip to about 2/3 of the way through the interview where he starts to talk about the way forward:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUJsnxL7iisTo summarize, Dr. Fauci sees hope as long as these conditions hold:
1. We continue to see decline over the summer.
2. The fall will see more infection as more of us move indoors and go back to school.
3. We will be prepared with better testing and contact tracing so that things don't get out of control.
For this plan to be successful:
#1 has to happen. We aren't sure it will but things seem to be headed toward summer decline.
#2 will happen. Fauci says we are kidding ourselves if we thing it won't.
#3 must happen, but that will require leadership.
I am the most skeptical about #3. I just don't think our leaders will be able to organize the effort it will take, especially during election season. From Trump on down, we have been disappointed and I just don't see us getting our act together.
But Fauci's plan is reasonable. It could work. And I think it's the best plan we've got.
The big question is what it takes to really fire off a mass death like in NYC, London, Madrid, N Italy. And if wearing masks and some social distancing are enough to stop it now that we know some things about the virus,
If the thing cannot get a foothold in the suburbs and smaller cities anymore...then we'll just burble along, 700 deaths per day, until the vaccine. But if it can spread in the suburbs then we're in trouble.
And schools opening in the fall will be a key time also.
Fat hurts wrote:
agip wrote:
national rankings: Sweden has been 8th for many weeks but is closing in on France for 7th. They sure failed the pandemic, as did the UK, which also had a permissive shelter in place policy. Which means when this thing is surging we need to absolutely lock things down hard and fast.
I'm not sure we can say yet that Sweden took the wrong approach, but it definitely looks that way. I heard a report recently that their infection rate was miles away from having enough to achieve herd immunity. Even Sweden will fail to attain herd immunity until we get a vaccine.
As far as their economic situation, the Swedish economy is almost as bad as their neighbors. So the net effect of their experiment has been that they have a huge number of excess deaths with almost zero economic benefit.
Don't fool yourself. America has taken the Swedish approach as well. We locked down for about a month to flatten the curve but we didn't follow through. The president just gave up and surrendered.
So now we are the 12th worst nation in the world for deaths per million. We have opened up but the economy has not snapped back. The situation is still dismal and there is no end in sight.
You can't fix this without beating the virus first. There are no shortcuts.
Listen. I'm pro-science. The administration clearly flubbed this response and caused many excess deaths. But a longer lockdown probably won't do us much good. If we open up now with a heavy amount of social distancing, hand washing, and mask wearing, we probably won't see an exponential rise like we saw in March/April.
Check out this twitter thread from a Hopkins epidemiologist:
https://twitter.com/cmyeaton/status/1262552538731155457Libertarian Centrist wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I'm not sure we can say yet that Sweden took the wrong approach, but it definitely looks that way. I heard a report recently that their infection rate was miles away from having enough to achieve herd immunity. Even Sweden will fail to attain herd immunity until we get a vaccine.
As far as their economic situation, the Swedish economy is almost as bad as their neighbors. So the net effect of their experiment has been that they have a huge number of excess deaths with almost zero economic benefit.
Don't fool yourself. America has taken the Swedish approach as well. We locked down for about a month to flatten the curve but we didn't follow through. The president just gave up and surrendered.
So now we are the 12th worst nation in the world for deaths per million. We have opened up but the economy has not snapped back. The situation is still dismal and there is no end in sight.
You can't fix this without beating the virus first. There are no shortcuts.
Listen. I'm pro-science. The administration clearly flubbed this response and caused many excess deaths. But a longer lockdown probably won't do us much good. If we open up now with a heavy amount of social distancing, hand washing, and mask wearing, we probably won't see an exponential rise like we saw in March/April.
Check out this twitter thread from a Hopkins epidemiologist:
https://twitter.com/cmyeaton/status/1262552538731155457
+1
agip wrote:
Looks to me that Trump has found a way to push the virus off the front page.
He's going to go all law and order, whites v blacks, law enforcement v rioters, etc.
Worked for Nixon - he was voted in to stop the political violence of the late 60s/early 70s.
Trump will push all the buttons of the old white folks with the mpls riots. And it will work. These riots are picture perfect for trump. He was losing old people and now he's going to get many of them back again.
The riots would need to continue through the summer. I don't think we will see the kind of civil disruption we saw back in the Nixon days.